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'11 TX QB Stevie Joe Dorman (Signed to Colorado)

Given the evaluation that Stevie had on Scout, he should have been a 3* the whole time. Good to see his rating bump, though. Gonna help with our overall class ranking and that's good PR.
 
bigbang said:
Andy Dalton of TCU was ranked 73rd QB in 2006. I remember that because i actually wanted Dalton to come to CU. Dalton has developed quite nicely leading TCU to the Rosebowl win over Wisconson
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Yeah, but we already had our QB recruit for the 2006 class....
 
Buffnik said:
Given the evaluation that Stevie had on Scout, he should have been a 3* the whole time. Good to see his rating bump, though. Gonna help with our overall class ranking and that's good PR.
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I have not looked lately....afraid to. The bump will get us from 78 to 77 overall? Yikes.....
 
sackman said:
Tebow never had anybody teach him mechanics. He could have used that in college. His problem was that his natural skill set worked perfectly for the offense they ran, so they didn't have any need to work on his mechanics.
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Somewhat my point. McGoner took Tebow on a "reach", believing he and others could school timmy on techniques. With a partial off-season, and work during the season, Tebow's throwing motion still needs work.

Sometimes, there's only so much you can do with a player.
 
sackman said:
Tebow never had anybody teach him mechanics. He could have used that in college. His problem was that his natural skill set worked perfectly for the offense they ran, so they didn't have any need to work on his mechanics.
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Off topic, but you started it (sorta).

I remember seeing a special (a long one too) on ESPN a few years ago. Apparently Florida had brought in a QB specialist just to improve Tebow's throwing motion (after his Frosh. year, I think), and broke it down, and rebuilt it and changed it completely.

According to that special, he did have someone...
 
The Walrus said:
Off topic, but you started it (sorta).

I remember seeing a special (a long one too) on ESPN a few years ago. Apparently Florida had brought in a QB specialist just to improve Tebow's throwing motion (after his Frosh. year, I think), and broke it down, and rebuilt it and changed it completely.

According to that special, he did have someone...
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Muscle memory can be changed. No doubt about it. I taught myself how to play the guitar, but when I took lessons I had to re-learn how to do it. There were plenty of things I was doing wrong. You can fix things, it just takes a lot of time and reps to get it right. That doesn't mean you can teach someone to throw on a rope, but you can teach proper footwork, selling the playaction, holding the ball and releasing it.

It's not about practice, but about practicing with purpose and intent. All of the practice in the world doesn't help if you are doing it wrong even once, imo. Quality over quantity, but to be an NFL QB you also need the quantity (especially if you are trying to improve accuracy). It can be done, but it's hard to throw 300 times a day as that puts a serious strain on your shoulder, back and especially your rotator cuffs.

I saw something interesting about Eli and Peyton a while back. They all (Archie's sons) wanted to be QBs. Guess who was their teacher? While some say genetic lines matter--and they do--no one studies and practices like Peyton at his position. Anyway, in the interview they said they didn't go very much on vacation or have much of a social life growing up because they wanted to be QBs and they practiced every day. Everything they did wrong though early on was caught by their dad. It wouldn't shock me if Peyton has a son in 15-20 years that is an NFL caliber QB. Over the course of his life he has probably thrown 100s of thousands of passes. That's a **** ton of work over the years. Mozart's father was also considered to be the best music/piano instructor in Europe at the time. It's no surprise that either of them had the advantages of having the best instructor at such a young age and they were "prodigies."

While guys like Elway and Marino and (insert incredible QB) may not have had an NFL QB dad I'm sure their parents got them the instructor they needed early on or they lucked out and had a brilliant HS QB coach (when it really matters) and a good QB coach in college.

I guess what I'm saying is that Tebow didn't have this early enough and Meyer let him skate by at his time in Florida. He has the work ethic, but he is a project. In a few years he might be good to great or he may never pan out, but he'll be better than he is today.

I *LOVE* the fact that Dorman had a grandpa that taught him, and his 2 NFL QB sons, and he had 2 talented uncles that could also help him practice perfectly. He's had proper instruction since he was little. That doesn't mean they are perfect, but I bet he's better off than a lot of other QBs out there. IMO, this is the steal of the class. Dorman has the physical tangibles to be an elite QB and the years of practice under his belt to do it. Can't wait him to see fight for PT. Having an NFL caliber QB coach is going to do this kid wonders.

EDIT: I'm not a Tebow defender--not even a Broncos fan--but if Tiger Woods can change his golf swing twice then Tebow can change his throwing motion. Thing is, is that Woods is known as a guy that practices 6-8 hours a day with his craft. If Tebow does that even in the offseason I think he'll have a chance.
 
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NMBuff said:
Muscle memory can be changed. No doubt about it. I taught myself how to play the guitar, but when I took lessons I had to re-learn how to do it. There were plenty of things I was doing wrong. You can fix things, it just takes a lot of time and reps to get it right. That doesn't mean you can teach someone to throw on a rope, but you can teach proper footwork, selling the playaction, holding the ball and releasing it.

It's not about practice, but about practicing with purpose and intent. All of the practice in the world doesn't help if you are doing it wrong even once, imo. Quality over quantity, but to be an NFL QB you also need the quantity (especially if you are trying to improve accuracy). It can be done, but it's hard to throw 300 times a day as that puts a serious strain on your shoulder, back and especially your rotator cuffs.

I saw something interesting about Eli and Peyton a while back. They all (Archie's sons) wanted to be QBs. Guess who was their teacher? While some say genetic lines matter--and they do--no one studies and practices like Peyton at his position. Anyway, in the interview they said they didn't go very much on vacation or have much of a social life growing up because they wanted to be QBs and they practiced every day. Everything they did wrong though early on was caught by their dad. It wouldn't shock me if Peyton has a son in 15-20 years that is an NFL caliber QB. Over the course of his life he has probably thrown 100s of thousands of passes. That's a **** ton of work over the years. Mozart's father was also considered to be the best music/piano instructor in Europe at the time. It's no surprise that either of them had the advantages of having the best instructor at such a young age and they were "prodigies."

While guys like Elway and Marino and (insert incredible QB) may not have had an NFL QB dad I'm sure their parents got them the instructor they needed early on or they lucked out and had a brilliant HS QB coach (when it really matters) and a good QB coach in college.

I guess what I'm saying is that Tebow didn't have this early enough and Meyer let him skate by at his time in Florida. He has the work ethic, but he is a project. In a few years he might be good to great or he may never pan out, but he'll be better than he is today.

I *LOVE* the fact that Dorman had a grandpa that taught him, and his 2 NFL QB sons, and he had 2 talented uncles that could also help him practice perfectly. He's had proper instruction since he was little. That doesn't mean they are perfect, but I bet he's better off than a lot of other QBs out there. IMO, this is the steal of the class. Dorman has the physical tangibles to be an elite QB and the years of practice under his belt to do it. Can't wait him to see fight for PT. Having an NFL caliber QB coach is going to do this kid wonders.

EDIT: I'm not a Tebow defender--not even a Broncos fan--but if Tiger Woods can change his golf swing twice then Tebow can change his throwing motion. Thing is, is that Woods is known as a guy that practices 6-8 hours a day with his craft. If Tebow does that even in the offseason I think he'll have a chance.
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My point was that Tebow has already changed his throwing motion. Dramatically.
 
The Walrus said:
My point was that Tebow has already changed his throwing motion. Dramatically.
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Yep. I remember that story. I think it was one of the first episodes of that Sports Science show (or a precursor to it).

Weird thing with Tebow is that he did that after his freshman year, changed it again before workouts with pro scouts, and now he supposedly needs to change it some more. I've never seen a guy need this much work on his mechanics.
 
The Walrus said:
My point was that Tebow has already changed his throwing motion. Dramatically.
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Yeah, I wasn't trying to argue with you, only validate what you said. I just went a little on the rant about work ethic though and proper instruction. It was more of a point that even though Dorman didn't have BCS offers he has the physical tools and the bloodlines and the instruction to be awesome. Now he just has to want it.
 
Buffnik said:
Yep. I remember that story. I think it was one of the first episodes of that Sports Science show (or a precursor to it).

Weird thing with Tebow is that he did that after his freshman year, changed it again before workouts with pro scouts, and now he supposedly needs to change it some more. I've never seen a guy need this much work on his mechanics.
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I think just about every QB needs it coming out of college, you just never hear about it because most QBs like Tebow aren't figureheads of their position or of CFB. They don't get the love treatment by ESPN. I mean, seriously, the guy was critiqued and praised by people for years ad naseum. Luck is perhaps the most polished QB I've seen, but I bet there are things he needs to work on as well and that guy doesn't have the exposure of Tebow. I don't know what they are, but I bet QB gurus say something. Tebow's deficiencies are just very glaring to the average Joe like myself.

****, Tebow even got a 30min special showcasing his new throwing motion. Blech.
 
After looking through his videos with more scrutiny, I really do like this kid. I wish his long ball was tighter and I wish he didn't run as much as he does if he's guys aren't immediately open. It's not like his line gave him much time sometimes though and it may have been designed to go as a draw if they weren't open given that he can run. Nonetheless, the only real complaint I have is that he hasn't grown into his body just yet. Give that time and he'll be fine.
 
NMBuff said:
Yeah, I wasn't trying to argue with you, only validate what you said. I just went a little on the rant about work ethic though and proper instruction. It was more of a point that even though Dorman didn't have BCS offers he has the physical tools and the bloodlines and the instruction to be awesome. Now he just has to want it.
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I liked this thread better when I still thought you were trying to argue with me.
 
My guess is the blackballed thing refers to why he wasn't rated by the recruiting service places, nothing more. I have no idea if it's true, but doubt it affects his commitment to the Buffs.

Of course, I don't know a damned thing.
 
just surfing around on this snowy day and found another couple of pics of Dorman.

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dorman under pressure.jpg

dorman throws.jpg

Photo credit: BlueCityPhotography
More shots from this game (and others) can be seen
here: www.flickr.com/photos/bluecityphotography/sets/.
See more of my work at bluecityphotography.com

and facebook.com/bluecityphotography.
 
wsp4820 said:
Can you elaborate?
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One of my coworker's son writes a CU blog. It is very good. Anyway, Sonny Detmer just does not believe in the star thing and generally doesn't provide a lot of info on his players. I don't know if thats good or bad, but Stevie Joe wasn't rated. However, after the Buffs got his committment, more people took notice and he rose to a ***. Apparently, after he committed, Koy wore his CU jersey to Somerset High School where, I think, he's an assistant coach. Sonny said that Stevie Joe is ahead of where both Koy and Ty were their senior years.

So it wasn't a "blackball." It was just that he was under the radar.
 
It runs in the family. Black and Gold forever! Welcome Mr. Dorman.
 
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