2015 Coaching Carousel

[tante]

Fair. Although that's basically a large part of recruiting.

I'm just trying to understand what fatbuff is trying to say.

 

[Duff Man]

I'm just trying to understand what fatbuff is trying to say.

Gotcha.

 

[patebuff]

A good start is look at the players we brought in on Junior Day. We landed like two of 10.

How many of those were out of state players?

 

[buffaholic]

Here's what happened, fwiw.

High School football coaches are celebrities in the state of Texas. They draw a lot of water. Mack Brown was extremely political with them and allowed recruiting decisions to be based on politics. If a kid was an all-state player in Texas for one of the big programs, UT did not take a kid from out-of-state even if they liked him a lot better. This is also about booster money. The same boosters paying the way at UT often spend a lot of money as boosters for their local high school.

Anyway, Mack Brown kissing asses and playing the game worked for a long time. For whatever reason, it stopped working. Now Strong came in and told that good ole boy network of coaches and boosters that he'll be making his own decisions on who he recruits... and it may not be who folks think UT should be recruiting. That's fine (and probably the correct approach), but Strong isn't a schmoozer and he couldn't deliver this message without pissing people off.

What this means for CU is that the door is open. I don't know whether Chambers is the guy or not, but it's going to take someone who can tap into that good ole boy network. Recruiting Texas is not like recruiting other places.

I think this is a theory and it's BS. You don't take an in-state kid you don't like as well as an out-of-state kid for any reason at all, ever. Not in big boy football. If that actually happened, I'd be surprised. I think Texas failed to evaluate and develop their kids. The NFL has shown that evaluation isn't a perfect science by any means.

 

[patebuff]

I think this is a theory and it's BS. You don't take an in-state kid you don't like as well as an out-of-state kid for any reason at all, ever. Not in big boy football. If that actually happened, I'd be surprised. I think Texas failed to evaluate and develop their kids. The NFL has shown that evaluation isn't a perfect science by any means.

I've heard the same thing from Texas friends. Not sure it's too far off

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

holic - I think you and nik are on the same page regarding uTerus' evaluations on Texas hs players.

From where I'm at, I've watched the 2nd border war between the boomers and whorns as to who could host their jr day the earliest. Get the kids on campus, watch, offer. Got kinda comical for a while.

The problem with uTerus was that it seemed like their evals began and ended with the jr day. Charlie Strong is changing that and I'm interested to see how it turns out.

 

[Buffnik]

holic - I think you and nik are on the same page regarding uTerus' evaluations on Texas hs players.

From where I'm at, I've watched the 2nd border war between the boomers and whorns as to who could host their jr day the earliest. Get the kids on campus, watch, offer. Got kinda comical for a while.

The problem with uTerus was that it seemed like their evals began and ended with the jr day. Charlie Strong is changing that and I'm interested to see how it turns out.

:nod:

And they didn't even bother to look out of state unless they weren't able to fill their slots out of that Junior Day.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

:nod:

And they didn't even bother to look out of state unless they weren't able to fill their slots out of that Junior Day.

Or really unusual circumstances like a legacy recruit, or an exceptional talent (such as the defestive lineman from Colorado a few years back who's name escapes me atm).

 

[fatbuff]

I'm just trying to understand what fatbuff is trying to say.

People are posting that Chambers may be a ****ty recruiter, because Tx players don't always live up to the hype. My point is that the lack of player development has nothing to do with recruiting, and everything to do with evaluation and coaching. We don't know enough about our staff's evaluation prowess, because we don't generally get the players that we would really like. Maybe a guy like Chambers could change that. My issue with a coach like Chambers is that UT recruits itself in the State of Texas. Very few Tx High Schoolers would turn down an offer at UT. Recruiting is only the process of getting a player to choose your school over everybody else. Some posters are confusing the subject with other process'. We are not getting players here that have other P5 options, and that has everything to do with recruiting. Claro?

 

[sackman]

I think this is a theory and it's BS. You don't take an in-state kid you don't like as well as an out-of-state kid for any reason at all, ever. Not in big boy football. If that actually happened, I'd be surprised. I think Texas failed to evaluate and develop their kids. The NFL has shown that evaluation isn't a perfect science by any means.

I think it's more accurate than you are giving it credit for. Consider this: Mack Brown probably felt like he had plenty of talent on his team at any given time. He knew that he had the luxury of taking a flyer on a kid at a big time high school if it meant that the next superstar from that same school would come to UT. If he pissed off the head coach of that high school by not taking the first kid, he would be SOL on the superstar. If that school has a record of producing superstars, it's not a reach to think that Mack would pass on an out of state kid who would probably end up at a non-conference school anyway.

 

[Highlander]

If this general story is true (Strong pissing of Texas HC's by not playing Brown's political games), UT is in serious **** with the uprising of Baylor, TCU, and Texas A&M. I think Strong is one of the top 5 coaches of football in the game, but this potential failure in the politics of the recruiting game may be disastrous.

 

[prime teets]

I think this is a theory and it's BS. You don't take an in-state kid you don't like as well as an out-of-state kid for any reason at all, ever. Not in big boy football. If that actually happened, I'd be surprised. I think Texas failed to evaluate and develop their kids. The NFL has shown that evaluation isn't a perfect science by any means.

explain not offering winston when it was well known he would have jumped on the UT offer had it ever came

edit: looks like they took a kid from AZ that year, point remains that mack was an idot near the end

 

[onealcd]

explain not offering winston when it was well known he would have jumped on the UT offer had it ever came

Or manziel and rg3

 

[buffaholic]

How about really poor evaluation skills and coupled with some serious character issues. They thought they had a great QB each and every year.

Do you really think Mac takes a guy he figures will never been even an average QB over those 3 guys because of any reason other than he underestimated their talent and over-estimated his own QB picks? I don't. If you do, great. Argument over.

 

[buffaholic]

If I guy helped recruit some big names at Texas does that make him a great or even good recruiter? Couldn't my Aunt Betty pull most of the top recruits in the state of Texas to Texas, at least a few years ago when they were winning and aTm wasn't?

They were losing some battles with Oklahoma btw. Some big ones.

 

[prime teets]

How about really poor evaluation skills and coupled with some serious character issues. They thought they had a great QB each and every year.

Do you really think Mac takes a guy he figures will never been even an average QB over those 3 guys because of any reason other than he underestimated their talent and over-estimated his own QB picks? I don't. If you do, great. Argument over.

a little of that and a little texas arrogance IMO. mahalo.

 

[sackman]

Texas arrogance, and probably no small amount of laziness. They had gotten to the point where their classes were pretty much full by May with guys who had just finished their junior years. As opposed to continuing to evaluate kids into their senior years, they kept watching the juniors.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

If this general story is true (Strong pissing of Texas HC's by not playing Brown's political games), UT is in serious **** with the uprising of Baylor, TCU, and Texas A&M. I think Strong is one of the top 5 coaches of football in the game, but this potential failure in the politics of the recruiting game may be disastrous.

Seems to be a precarious tightrope, doesn't it?

 

[Jens1893]

The Eagles fired a Kelly buddy and sided with their gm howie roseman. Roseman and Kelly ain't buddies. Rumours are that something "big" could be in the works behind the scenes. Watch this.

 

[Quattro]

Or manziel and rg3

Well they did offer RG3 but it was at WR

 

[sackman]

The Eagles fired a Kelly buddy and sided with their gm howie roseman. Roseman and Kelly ain't buddies. Rumours are that something "big" could be in the works behind the scenes. Watch this.

You think Kelly quits, or is fired?

 

[CUFan]

The Eagles fired a Kelly buddy and sided with their gm howie roseman. Roseman and Kelly ain't buddies. Rumours are that something "big" could be in the works behind the scenes. Watch this.

You mean Chip Kelly is coming to CU?

 

[Highlander]

The Eagles fired a Kelly buddy and sided with their gm howie roseman. Roseman and Kelly ain't buddies. Rumours are that something "big" could be in the works behind the scenes. Watch this.

http://espn.go.com/blog/philadelphi...-at-worst-possible-time?ex_cid=espnapi_public

Interesting situation. As a side note, I found this stat telling about the importance of having an elite QB in the NFL - nothing we don't already know, but it brings the point home in spades:

When you look at the 12 teams in the NFL’s playoff field, you can’t deny the importance of having that elite quarterback. Six of the teams feature quarterbacks that already have at least one Super Bowl ring. Three other teams have quarterbacks that were the first overall picks in the NFL draft. A fourth – Arizona – had a first-overall pick at quarterback until Carson Palmerwas injured.

Only Dallas’ Tony Romo and Cincinnati’s Andy Dalton have not won a Super Bowl or been drafted first overall. Last season, Foles was starting in the first weekend of the playoffs. His team lost to former Super Bowl winner Drew Brees and the New Orleans Saints.

 

[Jens1893]

You think Kelly quits, or is fired?

It sounds like there´s a chance he´s not the Eagles HC in Week 1 of the 2015 season, doesn´t it?

Kelly´s vulnerable as he´s missed the playoffs and has already lost one power struggle with Roseman since the season ended.

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

You mean Chip Kelly is coming to CU?

It's why we're not giving Lingren a raise, I think.

 

[CUFan]

It's why we're not giving Lingren a raise, I think.

Must spread rep. Allsome.

 

[onealcd]

So chip Kelly to the niners?

 

[Darth Snow]

So chip Kelly to the niners?

PRETTY, PRETTY PRETTY PLEASE.
:lol:

 

[Jens1893]

Kaepernick with Kelly would be .... interesting

 

[Darth Snow]

Kaepernick with Kelly would be .... interesting