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2015 Coaching Carousel
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somebody
Well-Known Member
:nod: I am blissfully unaware of any undef posts. So much better after ignored posters being quoted got blocked.
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aik
Well-Known Member
Chambers may be a notch up in recruiting that area from what we have now but it's not worth it to me. Hasn't produced much of anything in terms of on-field talent for years at his position and recruiting to a state brand that should come very close to selling itself had been abysmal. That's why he was fired today in the first place, not because of the bowl performance. It was to get a head start on future recruiting classes by bringing in new coaches.
That makes you a lot like undefeated. (I'm not dissing you)
somebody
Well-Known Member
:lol:
Buffenuf
massive tool
WTF??? That's pure Baloney! They were "credentialed" but hardly did a good job with player development, team morale and working on the academic side of things, all of which should be an assistant's primary goal. Those coaches did nothing to overcome the strife at the upper level. Screaming expletives at players after you wear them out at practices which don't teach them anything or letting locker room rifts develop or allowing team attitudes totally deteriorate (creating the "Ladies Night" mentality) isn't the sign of a "solid P5" group.
As a result, it's taken two years to get out of the funk created by those "solid P5" assistants!!!
Individually that staff included a very highly qualified group, most of whom had zero problem getting quality jobs after leaving CU.
The fact that the staff as it was composed did not function is not up for debate. Overall it may have been one of the worst coaching jobs in history.
I don't blame that on the individual position coaches. That's what happens when you hire a coach and two coordinators who have a combined zero experience as a HC or a coordinator and throw them into an already very difficult situation.
Fact is the JE and EB couldn't handle the pressure and collapsed under it taking the rest of the staff with them. That doesn't mean that the individual position coaches weren't good coaches, it means that the leadership didn't put them in a position where they could be any good.
You expected the assistants to overcome the strife at the upper level? The culture of any organization is set from the top. Groups, whether assistant coaches on a sports team or anything else, very rarely overcome bad leadership from their superiors to achieve success in spite of the leadership.
Your blame is misplaced.
This I can agree with completely.
We need someone who has actively built and maintained connections in Texas and who can produce for us there.
What I don't want is somebody who is willing to just coast on their name and/or reputation. My impression is that is what we are getting from Jeffcoat right now, what Baer was giving us, and without being close to the situation my fear is that Chambers may be in that same mode.
Their recruiting rankings have been high but they have not been recruiting up to their normal standards. They have some kids who will get drafted this year but last year they went without a draft pick if I remember right. The prior couple years they had fairly small numbers.
Some say that their classes were overrated because when they identified a kid as a target they were automatically getting a bump. Others say that they are taking far to many kids who develop early and plateau. Either way the talent on the field hasn't matched the ratings that they received resulting in MB getting fired.
Either way we need to get much better at recruiting in Texas but I don't think that assuming that because a guy was on the Longhorns staff and recruited for them should be taken to mean he would be better than finding a younger guy with less name but more energy.
lawdogg
Club Member
Chambers was, from 2005-2013, not just on the staff for the Longhorns, but was their recruiting coordinator. This strongly suggests to me, he would have tie-ins with schools throughout Texas and could help us get our foot in the door very quickly on the strength of those relationships. Think you're selling the guy a bit short, Mtn. He may not be the dynamic recruiter we'd like, but he would certainly be a guy who provides better access to Texas prep players.
Overrated and lazy according to what I've been reading
And this is what I am afraid of.
I'm not close to the situation down there but based on recent years of results and the fact that he got fired from the job he's got I would worry. A good portion of the schools in the country recruit Texas, doesn't seem like he has a rush of schools coming after him.
I could be entirely wrong. The failures and deficiencies could have been due to Mack Brown or other factors. It is also possible that he has been coasting but getting fired might be enough to wake him up again and get him moving.
The question is can we afford to take the risk in finding out. I'd rather we go after somebody who has the energy and the motivation and wants to establish a name for themselves rather than live off the one they have.
That guy sucks. And being a Buff fan as long as you have, you can imagine it.
lawdogg
Club Member
Fine by me, I'm not the guy's agent. Just seems weird to hear people lament about not recruiting Texas well and then turn our noses up at a guy who could help. Hopefully we find what we're looking for.
Here's what happened, fwiw.
High School football coaches are celebrities in the state of Texas. They draw a lot of water. Mack Brown was extremely political with them and allowed recruiting decisions to be based on politics. If a kid was an all-state player in Texas for one of the big programs, UT did not take a kid from out-of-state even if they liked him a lot better. This is also about booster money. The same boosters paying the way at UT often spend a lot of money as boosters for their local high school.
Anyway, Mack Brown kissing asses and playing the game worked for a long time. For whatever reason, it stopped working. Now Strong came in and told that good ole boy network of coaches and boosters that he'll be making his own decisions on who he recruits... and it may not be who folks think UT should be recruiting. That's fine (and probably the correct approach), but Strong isn't a schmoozer and he couldn't deliver this message without pissing people off.
What this means for CU is that the door is open. I don't know whether Chambers is the guy or not, but it's going to take someone who can tap into that good ole boy network. Recruiting Texas is not like recruiting other places.
fatbuff
Member
Once again, there is a difference between recruiting and player evaluation. Texas gets the players they want - they are great at recruiting. Those players aren't always what they are projected to be - they are mediocre at player evaluation. We need to start getting the players that we are targeting- we suck at recruiting.
Good post
nolabuff
Club Member
Chizik to UNC as the DC, not a bad plan B after Durkin.
http://espn.go.com/college-football...orth-carolina-tar-heels-defensive-coordinator
http://espn.go.com/college-football...orth-carolina-tar-heels-defensive-coordinator
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aik
Well-Known Member
That is very solid for them. Probably a top 5 DC hire for 2015. He will move on to be a head coach very soon given his history, so UNC is gambling on instant improvement to be more attractive for the next guy.
How do we know the players we are targeting are what they are projected to be?
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I hope they're not - the rating services and other coaching staffs don't project our recruits very favorably.
A good start is look at the players we brought in on Junior Day. We landed like two of 10.
That just means we are not getting who we are targeting.
Fair. Although that's basically a large part of recruiting.