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2018 College Football News

MtnBuff said:
If he can play somebody will give him a chance.

It is going to be very hard for him though. He is probably going to have to go to a Juco and first order of business will be to prove himself to his teammates, especially those who are African-American. There is no way he slides in unnoticed, this thing has already drawn far too much attention for that to happen. He acceptance will not be instant, he isn't going to fix this with a statement, he will have to show his new teammates on a 24/7 basis with zero room for error.

If the succeeds with that then his next step would be back to the BCS level but even if he does very well on the field at the Juco it will be with a bottom feeder P5 program or a G5 program willing to risk him for the talent.
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He is not only dealing with the racist stuff.

He aired dirty laundry in public of his former school and he also posted a video (same one with the racist stuff) with closed practice footage on a public network.
 
Duff Man said:
He is not only dealing with the racist stuff.

He aired dirty laundry in public of his former school and he also posted a video (same one with the racist stuff) with closed practice footage on a public network.
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I agree with you that he has been hitting the shovel pretty hard and dug a deep hole. If he is good enough though there will be a coach willing to give him a chance if he thinks it can win him some games.
 
MtnBuff said:
I agree with you that he has been hitting the shovel pretty hard and dug a deep hole. If he is good enough though there will be a coach willing to give him a chance if he thinks it can win him some games.
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He'd have more luck signing on with a White Supremacist NFL team
 
Even with a small program or something, who'd want to deal with the backlash of it? Football should be the last thing on his mind anyway.
 
Gary Indiana said:
Man, f*ck the Big 10, MSU, and the NCAA.

Reason 100
https://nypost.com/2018/08/29/michi...g-strip-clubs-before-fatal-crash-prosecutors/

Reason 101
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You forgot the lawyers.
His lawyers, however, claim there was never any evidence showing that he “had his head buried in his phone.” They are asking that he not serve jail time.
“[Moyer] can’t bring back the two lives that were taken,” attorney Neil Rockind told the News. “He can’t go back to that moment, but sending him to prison may provide some measure of justice, but it doesn’t accomplish anything for someone that can do good otherwise.”
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Why do we even have jails?
 
Duff Man said:
I don't want the NCAA anywhere near investigations of those magnitude.
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Situations like this are not an either/or. Federal investigators can look into this and levy serious penalties (they did) and then the NCAA can come in and do the right thing by sending a message that protecting these kids is their top priority.
 
Gary Indiana said:
Situations like this are not an either/or. Federal investigators can look into this and levy serious penalties (they did) and then the NCAA can come in and do the right thing by sending a message that protecting these kids is their top priority.
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I’m not a huge fan of they ncaa getting involved either, I actually think the conferences should do a better job punishing these schools in their wallet like the big 12 did with Baylor by withholding revenue.
 
Gary Indiana said:
Situations like this are not an either/or. Federal investigators can look into this and levy serious penalties (they did) and then the NCAA can come in and do the right thing by sending a message that protecting these kids is their top priority.
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So how should Michigan State be punished?
 
Duff Man said:
So how should Michigan State be punished?
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A punitive measure that will deter future conduct. It's not up to me to decide the particulars, but it seems like a cop out for the NCAA to conduct a sham investigation and then issue a statement saying that no further investigation is necessary.

How do the MSU or Baylor cases not scream lack of institutional control and oversight?
 
Gary Indiana said:
A punitive measure that will deter future conduct. It's not up to me to decide the particulars, but it seems like a cop out for the NCAA to conduct a sham investigation and then issue a statement saying that no further investigation is necessary.
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That could mean almost anything though. I think it is important if you are going to criticize NCAA non-action to have a baseline punishment in mind. Because it then it just becomes a free for all.
 
Duff Man said:
That could mean almost anything though. I think it is important if you are going to criticize NCAA non-action to have a baseline punishment in mind. Because it then it just becomes a free for all.
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Why is it up to me to decide what measures the NCAA takes? Is your defense basically that you think the NCAA should just throw their hands up and say "we know you were corrupt beyond all reasonable measure, but we're unsure what punishment would be fitting. So we're stopping the investigation".
 
Gary Indiana said:
Why is it up to me to decide what measures the NCAA takes? Is your defense basically that you think the NCAA should just throw their hands up and say "we know you were corrupt beyond all reasonable measure, but we're unsure what punishment would be fitting. So we're stopping the investigation".
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Because if I have no idea what you consider appropriate punishment in a case like this one, you can basically complain that the NCAA never went far enough, no matter what they do.
 
Duff Man said:
Because if I have no idea what you consider appropriate punishment in a case like this one, you can basically complain that the NCAA never went far enough, no matter what they do.
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But they didn't do ANYTHING. That is my point.

The entire gripe that I have is that the NCAA has just decided the MSU and BAylor cases are basically non-issues. It's disgusting.
 
Gary Indiana said:
But they didn't do ANYTHING. That is my point.

The entire gripe that I have is that the NCAA has just decided the MSU and BAylor cases are basically non-issues. It's disgusting.
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But again, if you want the NCAA to really step up enforcement in grey areas (as far as their jurisdiction goes), it is pretty important to set boundaries on what they should be able to and what is exceeding their authority.

With MSU, the vast majority of the issues lie with the gymnastics program. Should that program be punished? Because that seems counterintuitive with a case where athletes were the victims.
 
Duff Man said:
But again, if you want the NCAA to really step up enforcement in grey areas (as far as their jurisdiction goes), it is pretty important to set boundaries on what they should be able to and what is exceeding their authority.

With MSU, the vast majority of the issues lie with the gymnastics program. Should that program be punished? Because that seems counterintuitive with a case where athletes were the victims.
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I would not penalize the gymnastics program specifically, no. I would look to a penalty that impacts the university's bottom line across the board. You keep insinuating that having a team physician molest hundreds of young women is some kind of grey area. To me it is 100% black and white.
 
Gary Indiana said:
I would not penalize the gymnastics program specifically, no. I would look to a penalty that impacts the university's bottom line across the board. You keep insinuating that having a team physician molest hundreds of young women is some kind of grey area. To me it is 100% black and white.
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What?

The grey area is the jurisdiction the NCAA has in such cases. It is not black and white. Your punishment would seem to exceed their authority.
 
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