did you not see the post that TSchekler had? Mayfield and Murray came out of the same offense and Murray's stats are comparable in most areas and better than Mayfield's in others.
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2019 NFL Draft Thread
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did you not see the post that TSchekler had? Mayfield and Murray came out of the same offense and Murray's stats are comparable in most areas and better than Mayfield's in others.
Tannehill was also like 7th overall. So where they are drafted is big too
I feel like we're reliving the exact discussion surrounding Baker Mayfield from last year.
The finances are actually well in favor of him going to the NFL (he's going to be a top 5 pick), unless he really defies the odds in baseball and everything goes perfectly for him in getting the majors, becoming a super star and making it to Free Agency. Even then, he'll be 28 years old at the earliest when that happens.
Medford M.
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They are totally different players though.
You’re right; Murray is an elite runner.
You try to run around in the NFL, it's a bad idea. If it's a situational thing, when you have to make a play, fine. You're asking for trouble if you base an O off that.
KM checked a box for me with the height/weight/hand stats today. I’m interested in seeing more.
I'm interested to see if can hold up as well. I just wouldn't bet on it.
And that elite runner is part of the problem. In college he can create big numbers by forcing the defense to defend his running. In the pros if he runs that much he won't last long enough to get to his second contract.
He is an amazing athlete. There shouldn't be any question about his arm strength and I don't think the height is really an issue either.
Again were the problem comes in is that his running ability has meant that he has never had to learn and develop an ability to go past the early stage reads. People argued that with Mayfield but I posted here that I saw Mayfield making those multiple reads in college, with Murray I see Read 1, Read 2, run.
We saw from Baker in Cleveland that ability when running a pro offense. This doesn't say Murray can't learn but I don't think he will, very few QBs learn that at the pro level
Somebody is going to draft him very early so we will get the chance to see. I'm just glad it isn't the Broncos taking that risk.
We heard plenty about how RG3 was going to revolutionize the game. Sometime that ability to run is a negative
In the NFL, it is. He's 207 or whatever, it'll get him beat up quickly if they try a college offense, rules aside.
BuffG
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27 TDs-2 picks in 2013 with Chip Kelly. Tied the single game record for passing TDs (7) that year. Pro Bowl MVP 2013. Followed that up in 2014 with Chip going 6-2 until he got injured. The only sustained success Chip had in the NFL was with Foles. If you throw out that BS Jeff Fisher season and his rookie year when Andy Reid lost the team before inserting Foles, he is 27-8 with 3 playoff appearances (4-2 W-L) in the last 6 seasons. The Eagles were not on track to make the playoffs last year when Wentz got hurt. Foles made it happen.
Meanwhile, the Ravens were not making the playoffs at 4-5 with Flacco before deciding to bench him for a rookie Lamar Jackson who went 6-1 and got them a Wild Card. Flacco hasn’t been to the playoffs since 2014. There were tons of memes about Flacco’s bad attitude about being benched while Foles handled it with class even though he was the reigning Super Bowl MVP.
If Foles is so great and has been all along, why could he only get backup jobs in 2016 and 2017? Why did Chip Kelly give up on him to get Sam ****ing Bradford? And why throw out his worst seasons but not his best? If you do that, you have a guy with 41 career TDs and 31 INTs.
Foles is Case Keenum. Limited sample size and he's been successful only with one franchise and mediocre everywhere else. W/L records for QBs are as irrelevant as they're for pitchers because it's still a team game.
Flacco sucks ass.
Lot of NFL Network Radio chatter about Murray looking to be going to Arizona at #1 potentially and Rosen is acting like he will be traded. KK wants his guy to run his offense. Good luck, both men will be judged together and a messy divorce in years 2 or 3 is likely. I never liked Rosen either.
You gotta risk it to get the biscuit. I’d be so pumped if I was a Cards fan and they made a bold move like that
I mean, I would be excited about the possibilities but also scared ****less about going with a QB that size and a head coach like KK. And speaking of offensive line issues, the Cardinals, my god.
Sure, high risk high reward. As long as you have a plan, I’m good with it. If it doesn’t work out, they’ll fire KK and move on from Murray and try again. At least they won’t be sitting at 7-9 wins year in year by playing it safe w mediocrity.
Justice Hill, Marquise Brown, N'Keal Harry, Kaden Smith, Isaiah Prince, Nate Herbig, David Long, Andrew Wingard and Port Gustin all seem like they will have a lot of value in those mid rounds.
In the 2nd round yes, but all of these guys would be reaches at #10
You would love to get Greg Little in the second round? No ****.
Little is not a 1st round tackle
In your opinion, which is fine.
If there's the one thing I would look for when drafting OL, it's 40 time!
I thought it would be hilarious to go back and look for some hot takes in previous years, but I really couldn't find much without sifting through a bunch of garbage.
@Darth Snow 's weird obsession with Ryan Mallet (!) and how he was going to be pretty much the same or right behind Luck as an NFL QB is pretty funny though:
@Darth Snow 's weird obsession with Ryan Mallet (!) and how he was going to be pretty much the same or right behind Luck as an NFL QB is pretty funny though: