I bristled are being asked how many deaths I was willing to accept. Still do. It’s a bull**** question. Was before. Still is. Go find somebody who is willing to answer that question as it’s phrased.
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2020 CU football season POSTPONED until Nov 6th?
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It is the opposite of a bull**** question. It gets to the very heart of the matter. What is bull**** is hiding behind concepts like economic impact and generic risk when you are really talking about actual human deaths.
How much incremental loss of life should Disney be willing to accept in order to open a theme park?
You say there are risks. What the **** are they? Do you at least acknowledge that opening up Disney parks too early would absolutely lead to a greater number of COVID19 related fatalities?
ahoelsken
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Why are we even talking about theme parks? Has any politician actually come out and said "Yeah, sure we're re-opening Six Flags or DisneyWorld on May 1?" This is going to be phased or gradual. I posted this earlier in the thread.
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I’ll answer your question by posing an equally absurd question on the same subject: How many personal bankruptcies, foreclosures, business closings, suicides borne out of economic distress, and lost tax revenue are you willing to accept?
a specific answer, please.
Big Jim
WTF?
Spin, spin, spin. There is a politics forum on this site, that is where you should be posting.
ahoelsken
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Like it or not-the job losses are a part of this story. I'm talking to these people everyday-had one guy four hours who doesn't know what the hell he's going to do because his wife is a stay at home parent and he's the only income once his job ends at the end of May. We need to start finding a way to gradually turn things back on. What do you tell people like him, @Big Jim? Suck it up? Take one for the team and keep staying home-especially given how far off the models have been? Wait for your stimulus check? I'll wait.
That's cause you are being deliberately obtuse. You get it, but you are sanitizing the words to protect yourself from dealing with reality
I'm sorry, those are just costs.
More seriously, Why are you only sensitive about one side of this question? Your question is a good one. It needs to be considered. Your refusal to take a nonpartisan approach to the "risk" (deaths) part of the question reveals a lot. I had a good discussion with a trumpy friend of mine on this issue. I asked him the same question I asked you, although in a broader sense in that I was discussing the economy as a whole. He said that was a good question. He didn't have the answer. I respect his answer. I don't respect yours.
FYI, when it comes to Disney, I'm fine with them taking this on the chin.
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ahoelsken
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Then tell me what you think I should tell the candidate I had in Oregon today-sole income. Working through 5/31. Doesn't know what the hell he and his family are going to do after the end of next month. You want to be the one to tell him "Hey, just wait for your stimulus check."? I don't There's a right way to do this, guys. Its called gradually. Doesn't mean elitches and waterworld are open for business come April 27.
I was making fun of his bull****. I'm glad you picked up that it was bull****. See my edit. Thanks for confirming
ahoelsken
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I know you were making fun of him-This answer is really simple actually.
I believe you. Definitely.
Sykobuff
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Both are costs. At one point, one side of that cost lever will outweigh the other. Why is that so hard to understand?
Big Jim
WTF?
WTF are you talking about? We are talking about when college football will start again. You landed in the wrong thread.
To be fair, Sacky's not a fat girl anymore.
They will also have a lot lower costs. If school isn't in session, there's not tuition, room, board, scholarship cost. If football doesn't go, no other team goes either, so all of those AD costs will be meaningfully lower as well.
There will definitely be shortfalls, I don't want to minimize that. But if revenues drop by $78 million *and* costs drop by $50 million, you don't have a $78 million hole, you have a $28 million one. It still sucks, but it's at least a little bit easier to manage.
A lot of high paid football coaches are probably going to be learning all about "force majeure" really soon too (the smart ones are already reading about it, and will announce the are "foregoing" x% of their salary until the teams are back practicing and/or they can be back on the road recruiting - what I would seriously think about doing if I were in their shoes is to ask the AD to push the whole contract back by a year: if I'm in year 2 of a five year contract, we essentially insert one year that starts now in which I'm paid a reasonable minimum salary, then a year from now, I pick back up right where I'm at now in the contract structure).
Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields should be trying to figure out how to leverage this in order to get into this year’s draft.
Big Jim
WTF?
School will be in session. Scholarship costs will still exist. Students might not be on campus, but schools won’t close up shop.
That's a very fair point, not sure how I missed it.
A very serious thought/question (not necessarily for you, but for everyone): how does room/board play into this?
Not just for student athletes, but for anyone who is on a scholarship that covers room/board.
Many (and maybe even most) of the students who have "full rides" (athletic or academic) that include room and board don't exactly come from wealthy families that can easily afford to house/feed 19-22 year olds that are not actively contributing to the monthly cash flow.
Hell, I was a skinny ass cross country runner in college - and was eating 5 large meals a day (I look back on a "typical day's diet" back then and am probably equal parts shocked, disgusted and proud - Arby's "5 roast beef sandwiches for $5" wasn't lunch or dinner, it was literally a mid-afternoon snack). I don't even want to think about the calorie load, and daily money costs it takes to keep a 20 year old nose tackle going; a cost that many families that would struggle to cover.
Fairly compelling case why Walt Disney World would be very well equipped to host the remainder of the NBA Season. Posting here because we had the discussion about the Disney parks.
Why Walt Disney World would be the ideal spot for the NBA to salvage its season
https://sports.yahoo.com/why-walt-d...-the-nba-to-salvage-its-season-142557713.html
Why Walt Disney World would be the ideal spot for the NBA to salvage its season
https://sports.yahoo.com/why-walt-d...-the-nba-to-salvage-its-season-142557713.html
ahoelsken
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What if baseball winds up down there?
Recruiting is gonna have to get creative going forward. Could be a lot guessing about who or what you will actually be getting. Really sucks for anyone entering their Jr year of HS if the HS Season is not played.
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ahoelsken
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Big Jim
WTF?
**** the Big 12. They need to collapse that **** heap and roll up the four schools that that Pac-12 wants into the Pac-16.