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2020 CU football season POSTPONED until Nov 6th?
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hawg1
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Pay the players. Allow unions. Bubble up. Play.
Ha! Well at least you now know where to find the relative data. Looks like you need some help interpreting it though.
New York is likely doing well now because the virus burned through there 1st after Europe and then through the other states and on down to Mexico (CA and the West Coast may have a separate strain). I think the summer surge could be blamed on our neighbors to the south. CA never opened up and still had a surge in LA. The national data however seem to be trending back in the right direction. Its not all doom-and-gloom like some seem to embrace. Maybe the leagues will punt to the spring in the hopes of having fans - follow the $.
If I was a proud New Yorker, I would be wondering why we are still locked down based on the data above and what the economic consequences are
JFC, you are like a one-man propaganda outlet.
There's only slight evidence that a higher infection rate, such as existed in NYC months ago, slows the spread of the virus. Most evidence points to mitigation efforts, such as masking and social distancing, as the reason that NY's infection rate is now less than 1% So your statement above that a geographic region suffering many cases early in the spring somehow affects later infection rates is almost completely unsupported.
Also, there is no support (well, except for nativism) for your barely hidden blaming of brown people (neighbors to the south) for the infection rate in this country. Did the Mexicans invade Florida and Georgia too?
Any American should be looking at the data and wondering why we tolerate an infection rate of over 7% when NY and many other countries have shown that mitigation efforts can reduce that to less than 1%.
Were you listening to Finebaum today? He said the same damn thing you did. I didn't see it, heard it over the radio. Whether you did or not, I agree, it's very ****ing glaring.
If these adult players want to play, why can't there be a release of liability from the Universities they can all sign?
Sweet. We will sweep up ODU recruits now!
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Let me respond to all of your points-
I'm a former college basketball player, and I don't support paying players. Here's why-If you're paying football players at CU hypothetically, you're going to have to pay your non-revenue athletes too in the not too distant future. That's going to lead to cuts in those sports. Instead of that, I'd rather see college age athletes be able to make money off their likenesses. No reason kids like Viska while he was here, Trevor Lawrence, and even Katie Ledecky during her time at Stanford can't capitalize on that to at least some extent.
Don't really have a problem with unions either.
Bubbles-How would you make that work.....especially with the NFL planning to (basing this off everything I've read on their plans) do something close to what MLB is doing? Let's say (for the sake of my point) that the Pac 12 decided to play 10 conference games in a bubble in Denver. They'd use Folsom, and they'd probably need 2-3 more venues. Where do you find them?
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Same situation as the MAC. If you lose paycheck games and you can't play in front of fans, you're going to lose massive amounts of money.
Denver, Boulder, Fort Collins, Colorado Springs to name a few with NFL/Collegiate fields. With fans not being in attendance, and High School ball being moved to SPring, there's also some pretty big and nice high school stadium complexes in the metro area.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Some schools did this. Many scratched their heads. Then The NCAA said no. Widely believed a waiver is not legal. Water under the bridge on this one.
This is going to force action from the big programs to break away from NCAA. It exposes the issue with no central leadership and set of rules across the P5 conferences.
Watch for this to become a sweeping mentality across BIG and Pac 12 if/when the season is cancelled. Recruiting is going to suffer
It's not surprising at all, at least to me. I imagine that the leadership apparatuses at most Pac12 and Big Ten schools view athletics completely differently than their counterparts at most SEC and Big 12 schools.
Step off the ledge. First of all, it's one year. Second, if it blows up in everyone's faces and the season gets canceled after two weeks, how is that a recruiting win?
Yes, it obviously depends on what happens with SEC/ACC/Big 12. What happens if/when those conferences decide to play?
hawg1
Well-Known Member
They play. But they won’t.
Really I think it's all a crap shoot. If those conferences play and everything works out, the Big Ten and Pac 12 look like pikers. If those conferences play, kids get sick, and the season gets canceled a few weeks in, those conferences look like they care more about $$$$$ than kids and it's a negative recruiting nightmare for them.
this comment has been made by every fan clamoring for a playoff for about 30 years now.
class01
Well-Known Member
Typical. Ignore the data showing the national rate is trending in the right direction and accuse me of being racist. Mexicans (you know humans living in Mexico) and their response (or lack thereof) along with their proximity to our country should be considered in their ability to affect our #s. I don't care what their skin color is. Maybe you do?
Amazing (but not surprising) to see the temper tantrums from those who would rather risk the health and potentially the lives of the players and coaches and officials and support staffs rather than give up one season of college football.
This not even considering that it wouldn't be a complete season even in the unlikely event that it didn't get cancelled partway in.
In no way would I want to be the college administrator who had a kid die or somebody permanently disabled because I made the call to play.
This not even considering that it wouldn't be a complete season even in the unlikely event that it didn't get cancelled partway in.
In no way would I want to be the college administrator who had a kid die or somebody permanently disabled because I made the call to play.
I was a non-revenue college athlete (D-II baseball), so I can understand your thinking. I just don't know why college football players should be responsible for subsidizing all of the other sports.
The players and coaches are the ones who are vocal about wanting to play. The administrators don't give a **** about their health, they simply don't want to be liable for anything.
Trending in the right direction? Perhaps if you ignore the giant spike that (inexcusably) began two months ago. Not to mention the current plateau of more than 50,000 cases a day is just terrible. I wonder what your excuse will be when the rate rises again after schools open?
Also, It's hard to overstate your self-own of accusing me of calling you a racist when I never mentioned racism at all. Clearly, it's on your mind for some reason.
COVID explosion is why the money is problematic.
Administrators are dealing with far, far more than that. Sometimes the football fans get very myopic.
Here is an example that I heard from a parent of an incoming freshman at CU. "My son is starting at CU in the Fall, but he is is in 90% online classes, with just a few recitations in-person... yet the football players can gather together and play a sport AND CU is thinking about putting fans in the stands? I should just have my kid go to community college for the term"
This isn't just a matter of football players wanting to take on the risk. Covid has never been about individual risk! It is a highly contagious virus that impacts everyone. So administrators are trying to figure out how they can allow the football team playing while also having students in 90% online classes. Or how they can keep staff that may have to interact with football players safe from infection, since the football players are not in a bubble (we just saw last week what happened at CSU). They are trying to figure out how to message to parents that their kids should stay enrolled and pay tuition for a reduced experience, while allowing football players to do their thing.
I've been saying it for months, but football is really just a minor concern for University leadership right now. They have much bigger fish to fry.
somebody
Well-Known Member
That's too strong, but the bottom line is, after all, their responsibility.