ahoelsken
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That depends on the sport. I believe the NFL isn't going to be hurt real hard with no fans in the stands for a season..I still think we'll have CFB at some point during this academic year.
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2020 CU football season POSTPONED until Nov 6th?
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That depends on the sport. I believe the NFL isn't going to be hurt real hard with no fans in the stands for a season..I still think we'll have CFB at some point during this academic year.
NFL has been gearing its socialist economic model toward TV for decades. But, colleges rely on gameday for a big portion of revenues.
The NFL has a socialist economic model?
Duh.
Of course.
ahoelsken
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We're on the same page there. I'm already reading they're planning on the Saturday action we see in December weekly if college moves to the spring.
Revenue sharing, salary cap, draft order, etc.
Uhhh, yes. You realize that they have equitable revenue shares for all league members for the bulk of income, right? Literally the only items the teams can capitalize on individually are their concession and parking dollars.
The cheapness or extravagence of individual owners or stadia notwithstanding, the vast majority of NFL team income is entirely equitable.
Player salaries are entirely Capitalistic. The team revenue/profit model is Socialistic
Not entirely. Rookie deals are slotted mostly with some minor room for negotiation. Franchise tag numbers are set by the league as are RFA compensation rates. The hard salary cap and negotiated salary floor really normalize compensation for players. Very socialist across the board.
Want isn't a question here. Lots of people "want" things.
What matters is what is the right thing.
Liability is a big part of it. Liability comes from doing something that results in someone being harmed, and it doesn't go away just because they wanted to do it.
Universities could make this bubble situation with their sports happen if they wanted to. It will be basically remove the delineation between amateur student athlete and semi-pro athlete.
That is why they don't want to do it.
That is why they don't want to do it.
somebody
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Not to mention billionaire owners.
That's fair, although I would say that Rookie deals are substantially different depending on where they are selected, so that in an of itself makes it Capitalistic. Franchise tags numbers are set by the league based on the average of top market negotiated contracts for that position. There is also nothing normalized about one player being able to sign a half billion dollar contract while another player signs for 3 years, $15m.
You love to constantly be the arbiter of what's right for other people.
Completely agree, this goes way beyond playing football or not. Colleges desperately need students back on campus in the fall so they are doing everything in their power to make it happen. They are calling it mixed online and in person teaching, when in reality pretty much everything is going to be online except an occasional recitation or lab.
Contracts at the margins don’t disprove the rule of normalized contracts. Far more NFL players make near the minimum than maximums.
And, the rookie scale is not at all capitalist. Your number is set by your draft position, which came from worst/best seeding. There’s basically no negotiation on the amount or even the years. That there’s even a thing called a draft is entirely a socialist concept. If it were capitalism, teams would be able to bid and negotiate for player services from the outset.
BTW, the free agency markets are quasi-capitalism. There are tons of rules about contact and the amount of the contract (salary cap). Forcing a franchised to play a one year deal under this averaged dollar figure is not capitalism.
There are market experiments in the NFL, but the atmosphere is entirely controlled and governed by the rules to protect the collective.
And you would be the first and loudest complaining that they exploited the athletes and should have to pay them compensation.
I said there were capitalistic aspects, which is true.
2001Grad
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The student athlete can certainly sign something that says they won't sue, and I even think they can include their assignees and heirs but that won't stop a class action lawsuit from parents.
I'm almost every state the family of the deceased can sue for wrongful death.
So with all the talk about players, no one has really discussed the officials. I asked a guy I work with who is a high school official if he was working any games and he said no. 3 of his crew are opting out due to Covid and one is just hanging it up. Said even if schools want to play they are going to be short on officials. Most of those guys are older, at risk themselves or have household members that are at risk. I imagine it is similar in the college ranks as well. Even the NFL guys are not full time employees. There is so much to consider in having games beyond players and coaches, I don't see how it could be pulled off effectively.
Another one bites the dust.
Thread title updated to be more generic since this is going to be widespread
Absolutely, also at the college and pro level you have training and medical staff and the equipment staff.
For these people distancing is nearly impossible.
Kind of hard to plan when the landscape changes daily. I’d imagine they did have a plan a while ago, and they had to throw that plan out the window.
ahoelsken
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He in Colorado if you don't mind me asking? Last I heard high school football is a March through May season here. I do basketball, and we start right after Polis' moratorium on high school sports (Oct. 17-Jan. 4 to account for data showing a bump in COVID cases).
Officiating shortages are normal though. I have friends I know through basketball who do football, and its not as noticeable there because that's a Thursday-Saturday sport for the most part-but we see it every year. Most people who do basketball work games most weeknights and Saturday mornings. Its probably going to be worse this year, and that's a big reason why I decided to bite the bullet and return.