Medford M.
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I dont k ow that Luck is on that level yet, but I agree he's a few steps ahead of Justin Fields. I'm not sure Fields has a particularly strong arm.
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2020 Draft Buffs
- Thread starter WarBuff
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Speaking of Lawrence.
Consider what will happen if we don't have a season next year.
If the league does a draft how do they set the draft order. One way might be to use the same order as this year. That would then mean that the same team that gets Burrow would also be in line for Lawrence.
Consider what will happen if we don't have a season next year.
If the league does a draft how do they set the draft order. One way might be to use the same order as this year. That would then mean that the same team that gets Burrow would also be in line for Lawrence.
Not having a season is unlikely, IMO. They’ll have it in the Winter or Spring if need be.
In the event of no season, though, it would be interesting to know what they would do for draft order. I doubt they would just do same order as this year. I would be they’d come up with a lottery system of some sort. I don’t know definitely an interesting thing to think about.
somebody
Well-Known Member
Repeat or an average order of x number of years seems more fair than the Chiefs having a chance at the first lick.
It definitely would be an NFL/parity thing to do to just keep the same order. Give all the worst teams two years of top draft picks. It actually probably would be the way they’d go. None of the 2020 Rookies would have any playing time or real experience anyways so not like they would be developing.
Bengals just take Burrow and Lawrence and let them battle it out and trade the loser
Nobody talks about his arm strength like Josh Allen’s, but whatever I don’t care to argue that point considering arm strength is easily the most overrated aspect for a QB. We had 3 years of film on Montez and I would say his best film was Oregon in 2016. He showed very good accuracy, arm strength, and mobility. It was downhill from there for him. He literally never got consistently better than he was as a RS Sophomore.
somebody
Well-Known Member
Prolly trading Burrows in that scenario.
Big Jim brings up a great point in that even Manning was not a consensus #1 pick in his draft. Believe it or not, many had Ryan Leaf as the best prospect.
Elway is interesting in the opposite way. He was drafted out of the famed 1983 draft that saw five first round QB's (Elway, Todd Blackledge, Jim Kelly, Tony Eason, Ken O'Brien & Dan Marino.) That's three HoF, and four Super Bowl QB's. How many Super Bowls did that group have? I think it might be 12! And with all that talent, there was never a doubt in anyone's mind that Elway was the top prospect. It was not even close. That's pretty amazing.
Exactly, he made some of those dudes better.
What about his ability to find the first down marker, don't forget that one.
Bill Walsh, who had a pretty good QB in Joe Montana was asked how Niners would have done with John Elway at QB running his offense.
His response and I am paraphrasing was to say that they would have been illegal, they would have won the Super Bowl every year.
Elway was an amazing talent. You have to wonder what his stats would have been like had he had a different coach in the first half of his career than Dan Reeves. Reeves wanted him to be Roger Staubauch and only throw the ball enough to support the running game.
Correct. There haven’t really been any scouts suggesting he is only good because of his teammates
I mean, he only has Drew Brees upside.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
You’ve made this claim before and I’m pretty sure it’s made up - when did Walsh say that?
Walsh recruited Elway to Stanford so I’m sure he was familiar and very fond of him and I’m aware he considered a Montana/Elway trade in ‘83 after SF won like 3 games but ultimately decided he couldn’t trade Montana. That paraphrased quote however I’m pretty sure is an urban legend.
In the 30 for 30 about the '83 draft (I think), Walsh is shown saying that Elway is the best QB prospect he's ever seen.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Elway was an incredible QB prospect coming into the league but that’s a far, far cry from the quote Mtn is attributing to him which I have yet to see any evidence of.
The thing about Montez that annoyed the hell out of me, besides the first down marker thing, was I always seemed to waiting for him to screw up instead of making a play. It didn't always happen, but it did a good part of the time. His situational awareness is non existent, for the most part. He relies too much on his arm as well.
White_Rabbit
Well-Known Member
All about Viska's ability there, but goes to show how bad Montez could be.
Now, unless that was DESIGNED PLAY (which I doubt it was) Viska pulls a move to where he didn't have a defender within TEN YARDS of him, yet Montez throws it high and outside, forcing Viska to go out of bounds.
Montez throws that to the inside, and Viska has a chance to turn, make a move and pick up more yards.
And to @Uncle Luko 's point above, I think i was just ecstatic that Montez threw it at least 1.5 yards PAST the 1st down marker so we got a first down.
Well, he certainly didn't get them running for it.All about Viska's ability there, but goes to show how bad Montez could be.
Now, unless that was DESIGNED PLAY (which I doubt it was) Viska pulls a move to where he didn't have a defender within TEN YARDS of him, yet Montez throws it high and outside, forcing Viska to go out of bounds.
Montez throws that to the inside, and Viska has a chance to turn, make a move and pick up more yards.
And to @Uncle Luko 's point above, I think i was just ecstatic that Montez threw it at least 1.5 yards PAST the 1st down marker so we got a first down.
lawdogg
Club Member
It’s been said before, but Montez was a victim of his own success. That 2016 Oregon game (300+ passing/100+ rushing) gave a glimpse of what I thought he was going to be when he took the reigns. Obviously, those were outsized expectations, but that’s the maddening thing with Steven, the God-given talent is there.
I also blame our coaches who told him to stop being so aggressive as a runner. I am fully convinced that alone cost the team at least one win each of the last three seasons and no I’m not going to provide specific examples.
Big Jim
WTF?
Nah, he was on record for being a lazy frat boy before that game. He isn’t a victim.
lawdogg
Club Member
I guess the point is, I probably wouldn’t have cared that much if the kid our DL coach stumbled upon in El Paso ended up being a “lazy frat boy.” What is bothersome is, that kid actually could play and so the Oregon game, for me at least, elevated expectations beyond what they otherwise would have been.
White_Rabbit
Well-Known Member
I'm sure we all kinda thought similar. I figured we had QB solved for the next 3-4 years..
I think as fans we always assume there will be improvement, guys get better with time, etc. And sometimes they just don't.
Sorry to tell you I can't link it. Doesn't mean I didn't hear it. Irv Brown used to talk about it as well. Remember in those pre-internet times not everything ended up on you tube.
Walsh recruited him to Stanford, never coached him there as he left for the NFL before Elway arrived. He appreciated having Montana and they had great success but it would have been amazing what he could have done with that offense and Elways talents.
We will never know because he came to Boulder but reports were that Gundy came in on him for Oklahoma State.
Gundy is a goofball (and a man, he's 40) but he is also a much more intense guy than MM ever was and pushed his players to perform at a winning level.
Would Montez have taken that to heart and worked harder on his game, been more focused on winning, have actually improved each year, instead of getting by on talent and being just good enough to get consistently beat despite his raw talent?