Adams promoted to Co-OC, Chiaverini to call plays

[CULifer]

My fear is that we'll look no different than Lindgren's offense, honestly.

With a return to fundamentals, and running an early-2016 style offense, and calling plays that aren't complete dog****, I think we'll look much different than Lindgren's offense. I'm optimistically trusting Chev to call plays that are actually called for.

 

[4BienemyTDs]

I don't get the faster tempo. Doesn't that do our defense a disservice? Putting them back on the field more often and at a quicker pace regardless if we score will only wear them out. Our defense was especially awful as games wore on especially against teams with any RB that had two relatively serviceable legs.

You have the desire and plan to go with Faster Tempo, but you only kick into that tempo depending on where you start the drive at, and how successful your 1st Down play is. If you get stuffed, or you throw an incompletion, then the smart thing to do is slow down, work the play clock, and try and get back to being on time or ahead of the sticks. If you complete a big play of at least over 6 yards on that first down, then you make the CALL, and the team starts the faster tempo as you have the advantage over the defense and you have a larger amount of plays that you can call. I think we were out of sorts on that this year, and there was a better use of that plan in 2016. However, if we would play anywhere close to as good of defense as we did in 2016, then you can play tempo all the time. We actually could not wait to get our defense on the field because they were flat out awesome and would create momentum, field position, and were just flat out fun to watch. If your 3rd Corner in 2016 is already a potential 1st round pick, after you had 3 other DB's get drafted, then you were freaking out of this world!

 

[Buffnik]

 

[skibum]

My complaint with Lindgren was less his offense, but rather his play calling.

We'd get the ball on our own 10, get 7 straight running plays, every one of them works, find ourselves 1st and 10 on the other team's 35, and then he'd decide to call 3 straight passes. WTF?

His ability to change away from plays that are working to plays that aren't working was epic.

 

[Big Iron Buff]

I don't get the faster tempo. Doesn't that do our defense a disservice? Putting them back on the field more often and at a quicker pace regardless if we score will only wear them out.

Especially when our front 7 depth is non existent. IMHO, fast tempo offense is overrated and actually detrimental unless you have the perfect offensive personnel and strong defense with depth.

Let's look at the top ten teams and their corresponding FBS ranking in plays per game...

1. Clemson - 19
2. Oklahoma - 76
3. Georgia - 113
4. Alabama - 85
5. Ohio State - 28
6. Wisconsin - 96
7. Auburn - 46
8. USC - 36
9. Penn State - 66
10. Miami - 100

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/plays-per-game

Outside of Clemson, nobody in the top 10 is higher than 28th in plays per game. Most are in the bottom half of FBS. Playing uptempo may be exciting, fun, and put points on the board, but it doesn't consistently win games.

When you're outmatched, you want to minimize possessions to keep games close, not add possessions and fall behind (USC) or let inferior teams back into games (Arizona State). I wish this idea that playing fast like Oregon under Kelly is the fast track to success would die.

I feel that Montez is absolutely being setup for failure in this type of offense, and he would be far more successful in a play action, roll-out/bootleg type offense with less reads and deep crossing routes, and you know, maybe a TE to check down to.

 

[buffs233]

Especially when our front 7 depth is non existent. IMHO, fast tempo offense is overrated and actually detrimental unless you have the perfect offensive personnel and strong defense with depth.

Let's look at the top ten teams and their corresponding FBS ranking in plays per game...

1. Clemson - 19
2. Oklahoma - 76
3. Georgia - 113
4. Alabama - 85
5. Ohio State - 28
6. Wisconsin - 96
7. Auburn - 46
8. USC - 36
9. Penn State - 66
10. Miami - 100

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/plays-per-game

Outside of Clemson, nobody in the top 10 is higher than 28th in plays per game. Most are in the bottom half of FBS. Playing uptempo may be exciting, fun, and put points on the board, but it doesn't consistently win games.

When you're outmatched, you want to minimize possessions to keep games close, not add possessions and fall behind (USC) or let inferior teams back into games (Arizona State). I wish this idea that playing fast like Oregon under Kelly is the fast track to success would die.

I feel that Montez is absolutely being setup for failure in this type of offense, and he would be far more successful in a play action, roll-out/bootleg type offense with less reads and deep crossing routes, and you know, maybe a TE to check down to.

Very interesting and revealing stats. Thanks.

 

[skibum]

Outside of Clemson, nobody in the top 10 is higher than 28th in plays per game.

And Clemson's high ranking is probably more a product of a dominant defense than an up-tempo offense.

That being said, I'm not sure "plays per game" is a useful stat. A dominant defense that gets a lot of 3 and outs will drive it up. A porous defense that lets other teams score at will also drives it up.

An efficient offense that scores at will actually drives it down (even if the offense is up-tempo).

Average time to LOS might have more value, as would average time between offensive plays.

 

[Creebuzz]

Especially when our front 7 depth is non existent. IMHO, fast tempo offense is overrated and actually detrimental unless you have the perfect offensive personnel and strong defense with depth.

Let's look at the top ten teams and their corresponding FBS ranking in plays per game...

1. Clemson - 19
2. Oklahoma - 76
3. Georgia - 113
4. Alabama - 85
5. Ohio State - 28
6. Wisconsin - 96
7. Auburn - 46
8. USC - 36
9. Penn State - 66
10. Miami - 100

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/plays-per-game

Outside of Clemson, nobody in the top 10 is higher than 28th in plays per game. Most are in the bottom half of FBS. Playing uptempo may be exciting, fun, and put points on the board, but it doesn't consistently win games.

When you're outmatched, you want to minimize possessions to keep games close, not add possessions and fall behind (USC) or let inferior teams back into games (Arizona State). I wish this idea that playing fast like Oregon under Kelly is the fast track to success would die.

I feel that Montez is absolutely being setup for failure in this type of offense, and he would be far more successful in a play action, roll-out/bootleg type offense with less reads and deep crossing routes, and you know, maybe a TE to check down to.

Excellent post.

 

[MtnBuff]

Lindgren would drive me nuts with certain things he did that were highly predictable. Get a big gain downfield, momentum on your side, defense scrambling and virtually every time the first down play would be a running play inside the tackles. DCs knew it and we usually got stuffed. Result, the defense gets its feet back under them and we are faced with a second and long putting the defense at an advantage.

 

[DBT]

Maybe I’m FOS, but I don’t think we had much designed to slow down a pass rush.

 

[MtnBuff]

Maybe I’m FOS, but I don’t think we had much designed to slow down a pass rush.

We were very inconsistent in using the screen game despite having PL who is very effective on the screen.

Another way to beat the pass rush is with fast developing routes in the middle of the field. Our pass attempts to the TE for the season was in single digits. We also had games in which JMac was constantly wide open in the middle of the field and we didn't even look that direction.

 

[CUwhit21]

Especially when our front 7 depth is non existent. IMHO, fast tempo offense is overrated and actually detrimental unless you have the perfect offensive personnel and strong defense with depth.

Let's look at the top ten teams and their corresponding FBS ranking in plays per game...

1. Clemson - 19
2. Oklahoma - 76
3. Georgia - 113
4. Alabama - 85
5. Ohio State - 28
6. Wisconsin - 96
7. Auburn - 46
8. USC - 36
9. Penn State - 66
10. Miami - 100

https://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/plays-per-game

Outside of Clemson, nobody in the top 10 is higher than 28th in plays per game. Most are in the bottom half of FBS. Playing uptempo may be exciting, fun, and put points on the board, but it doesn't consistently win games.

When you're outmatched, you want to minimize possessions to keep games close, not add possessions and fall behind (USC) or let inferior teams back into games (Arizona State). I wish this idea that playing fast like Oregon under Kelly is the fast track to success would die.

I feel that Montez is absolutely being setup for failure in this type of offense, and he would be far more successful in a play action, roll-out/bootleg type offense with less reads and deep crossing routes, and you know, maybe a TE to check down to.

I think you just described Shawn Watson in the bolded part.

If you have a strong defense and/or a strong OL like Alabama, Wisconsin, USC, Ohio St, or just about every team that's listed then you can play slow. In most years, we don't have either. Embree tried to play slow and it showed in our TOP stats those years (31st in 2011, 24th in 2012). I don't count Embree's famed "uptempo" attempt that he abandoned about 2 series into the season.

I agree you have to find a balance and can't decide to be uptempo without the right personnel. Same goes for trying to match top 10 teams in style of play..

Anyway, why do you think Montez is setup to fail? Seems he's just slow to progress through reads, which would inhibit him in just about any offense.

 

[ahoelsken]

And Clemson's high ranking is probably more a product of a dominant defense than an up-tempo offense.

That being said, I'm not sure "plays per game" is a useful stat. A dominant defense that gets a lot of 3 and outs will drive it up. A porous defense that lets other teams score at will also drives it up.

An efficient offense that scores at will actually drives it down (even if the offense is up-tempo).

Average time to LOS might have more value, as would average time between offensive plays.

Do what fits your personnel-in our case, use the pass to set up the run. Chev as a playcaller fits our personnel very well.

 

[Bison]

Do what fits your personnel-in our case, use the pass to set up the run. Chev as a playcaller fits our personnel very well.

Something we should have done this recent season given what we had coming back at WR. I believe we would need to do the same thing again next season for sure.