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Darth Snow said:
I think people are overreacting here.
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Yep.

It does raise questions because Summers did not appear to be HCMT's top candidate (maybe not even #2). Also, other than a year at CSU, no real connection to this region (very much a GA/FL guy). But it also appears that he hired a talented young coach who knows how he wants a defense to play and with whom he has a working relationship.

Summers is not an inspiring hire to me. It's also not a "WTF are you thinking?" hire, so I'm not down on it either.

I am very dialed in now on the final 4 hires. We need CB, OLB, OL and TE. Those better be guys with track records recruiting our footprint & the OL coach better have a track record of delivering dominant OLs.
 
Gary Indiana said:
Better resume, Eliot or Summers?

We should have just kept DJ if this was going to be the move.
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Summers is better. He never failed as a DC like Eliot did at Kentucky. Also, Eliot was not a motivator or player's coach. For some reason, HCMM seemed to like that in his coordinators (Lindgren, Baer, Eliot) with the exceptions (Chev, Leavitt) being guys that were pushed forth by RG & LC. I don't think Eliot would have fit with HCMT's coaching & management style that's much more about that motivational side.
 
Buffnik said:
Summers is better. He never failed as a DC like Eliot did at Kentucky. Also, Eliot was not a motivator or player's coach. For some reason, HCMM seemed to like that in his coordinators (Lindgren, Baer, Eliot) with the exceptions (Chev, Leavitt) being guys that were pushed forth by RG & LC. I don't think Eliot would have fit with HCMT's coaching & management style that's much more about that motivational side.
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Perhaps Eliot would not have been a great fit, but you’re pissing on my leg and telling me it’s raining with the Summers stuff. The guy never really put together any great defenses and was canned at some D5 school I’ve never heard of.

Does he even have recruiting ties to our footprint?
 
Darth Snow said:
I'm not seeing the reason for freakout. His resume, other than it's location, is exactly the type of resume you'd think we'd want at DC. IF anything, maybe more experienced. Certainly reason for caution on the recruiting front.
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So when this all started summers was on your list of candidates? Not buying it. His numbers as a defensive coach aren't jumping off the page. I'll get over it, but this isn't what I envisioned this staff to be.
 
Buffnik said:
Do you know if runs a 3-4 or a 4-3 base? I'm pretty sure Tucker is sticking with our same base alignment (3-4 with either a nickel or Buff for that 2nd OLB spot depending on matchups).
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What position will he coach?
Can he recruit?

This will be MT’s D.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
In the SEC they are more than glorified Graduate Assistants. I mean Butch Jones and Steve Sarkisian were analysts for Bama. In the SEC it seems they use that spot to rehab head coaches who fell flat on their face and need a year to get back in the swing of things from a coordinator perspective.
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Sark was responsible for the third down game plan a week in advance for every opponent. That’s not just charting plays.
 
DrunkRalphie said:
Tyson Summers? Do you see what happens CU? Do you see what happens when regents vote no against a head coach's contract? You get Tyson Summers.
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Gary Indiana said:
Perhaps Eliot would not have been a great fit, but you’re pissing on my leg and telling me it’s raining with the Summers stuff. The guy never really put together any great defenses and was canned at some D5 school I’ve never heard of.

Does he even have recruiting ties to our footprint?
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I don't feel like I'm hyping Summers. That's not my intent at all. I said it wasn't an inspiring hire. I'm just not ready to call it a bad hire. Too much I don't know. For example, HCMT hasn't ruled out personally calling the defense in 2019. If that's what he decides to do, the Summer hire makes more sense to me. I don't know, but I'm looking at it kind of like if we'd hired one of the OC candidates -- who he hired as his OC wouldn't have been high on my list of priorities, I'd just want someone qualified that he's comfortable with.

I think the bigger question people should have is on whether Jay Johnson is the splash we needed at OC -- particularly with retaining both Chev & Hagan. What if we don't hire a big time OL coach to go with this? If not, I'm not sure that we did much to get better on offense other than it being about impossible not to upgrade TE coach from Bernardi.
 
hawg1 said:
What position will he coach?
Can he recruit?

This will be MT’s D.
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Based on his wiki bio, his background is as a Safety coach. But he has coached LBs, too. So I guess similar to the resume Tumpkin had -- best suited for S, but could coach OLBs/ NBs/ Buff if that's what's needed.
 
Buffnik said:
Based on his wiki bio, his background is as a Safety coach. But he has coached LBs, too. So I guess similar to the resume Tumpkin had -- best suited for S, but could coach OLBs/ NBs/ Buff if that's what's needed.
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Thanks. Gives MT options as position coaches are hired.
 
hawg1 said:
Most coaching hires will happen after ESD, like last year. Unwritten rule that position coaches don’t hop jobs (unless fired) before ESD.
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I’d been wondering how much of an impediment ESD timing might be in some of this. Doesn’t seem to be stopping other guys from bolting, but man another factor.
 
Mel Tucker has hired two white dudes to run both sides, probably really smart and capable guys.
He retained some guys, that I'm not sure I would have in Drake and Hagan.

He's got to find a solid DB coach and OLB/DE coach and hit it out of the park at OL.
And hopefully bring in a TE/Assistant Head Coach type who also can get some kid's attention.
 
Gary Indiana said:
Perhaps Eliot would not have been a great fit, but you’re pissing on my leg and telling me it’s raining with the Summers stuff. The guy never really put together any great defenses and was canned at some D5 school I’ve never heard of.

Does he even have recruiting ties to our footprint?
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If you just make up facts about the coaches, none will seem good to you
 
I agree with most that the hires so far are uninspiring, including some of those that he kept. And this may sort of make some of us nervous, because many didn't like how FHCMM also scared us with his asst hires.

BUT...guess what.? Remember how Embree's staff looked great on paper to begin. Sure, Bienemy and Brown could have been question marks, but his staff overall looked awesome. And I think we can all agree that we don't want that again.

So - I'm not gonna freak out until a year from now, after our first season under Tucker and his first recruiting period up til ESD. Call me a sunshine pumper, but **** it...I don't see any reason not to be at this point of MT's tenure. GO TUCKER! GO BUFFS! I'm still pumped about the hire and hope his acumen for spotting coaching talent is great.
 
cnbuff410 said:
If so, hire an ace recruiter and don't worry too much about his play calling capability.

Nothing tells me Summers is a great recruiter.
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Position coaches are your recruiters. Coordinators are secondary closers, strategists, installers, adjusters and focused on execution.
 
Sykobuff said:
So when this all started summers was on your list of candidates? Not buying it. His numbers as a defensive coach aren't jumping off the page. I'll get over it, but this isn't what I envisioned this staff to be.
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If the standard for the hire is someone I've heard of, you got the wrong standard. I'm not saying this is a home run. It's not. But yesi not a disaster
 
Bread said:
I think what a lot of folks on this board don't realize, is that CU is still not a destination coaching job right now. It could be if success comes in spades but currently it is not. Both Summers and Johnson are DEFINITE upgrades over what CU had for the last 10 years +. Did people on this board expect top 10 coordinators to be applying left and right? Realistically, CU is not in the position (financially or Football-success wise) to be poaching top tier assistants. Both of these guys are solid hires that are certainly better than the previous coordinators. They have experience as coordinators which proved difficult to lure here in past years.
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This whole destination hire bull**** is just that except for HCes that can have their pick. Assistants want promotions and to get paid. If CU is paying, they'll come.
 
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