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Are You Happy With A Four Team Playoff ?
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4 was a start. The issue I see is having 5 power conferences. If there was just 4 power conferences then a 4 team playoff would be perfect. Put me in the group who likes a 6 team playoff with the current structure. 5 power conference champs and 1 at-large. Top 2 get a bye. Sounds absolutely perfect.
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I've always thought 8 was the right number. 5 P5 champs plus the 3 best at large teams. Puts a premium on winning your conference, and I don't think you have an argument that you might be the best if you are outside the top 8.
Problem: Previous theatened congressional inquiry to a process that didn't automatically include a G5 team.
The next move will be an 8 team playoff with the 5 P5 champions, the top ranked G5 team, and two wild cards.
If we move to eight, the top 4 should get home field in the first round to incentivize the regular season.
Put me in the group that says the playoffs are stupid if non-conference champs get in over conference champs, but that an extended playoffs devalues the regular season.
6 teams - the 5 power champions plus the congressionally mandated G5 sacrificial lamb - would be a good compromise.
Having said all that, if the head dips in charge think 8 is something to be considered, I agree with @BuffUp that the top 4 should get first round home games to continue to make the regular season as important as possible.
6 teams - the 5 power champions plus the congressionally mandated G5 sacrificial lamb - would be a good compromise.
Having said all that, if the head dips in charge think 8 is something to be considered, I agree with @BuffUp that the top 4 should get first round home games to continue to make the regular season as important as possible.
I like 8 as you are better able to reward conference champions.
FlatironsBuff
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I agree with this. First round weekend before New Years. I just don't think you should play for the NC if you can't win your conference. Period. I also think you can't play for the NC if you don't have a CCG. Make winning the conferences mean something. Only one from each conference and best of the G5 gets to play.
I would disagree on the 'encourages strong OOC scheduling' part. Auto bids for conference champions makes who you play in OOC completely irrelevant. Only winning the conference matters. The current system more aptly rewards teams with stronger OOC schedules if win/loss totals are the same.
Yes, you might get more 2 or three loss teams winning it all, which is more NFL like. On the other hand, you take the blue blood reputation and subjectivity out of the rankings and let the team who wins the games and wins the conference have the chance to win it all. If you can't win your conference, you can't play. Period. I think 5 P5 champs plus best of G5 is a good way to do it.
But the way it is now is still better than opinions and votes deciding.
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FlatironsBuff
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Makes it a good combo. First four games are not bowl games (more money); makes every game still have importance, but if you falter early with injuries (CU this year) but are healthy and win your conference, you have a shot still. Good side of the 5-8 teams is that you have a shot. Bad side is you have to prove it on the road. WTTF.
I like the idea of 8.
But...
You must be winner of your conference championship game to get in. So after you seat the P12, B1G, ACC, SEC champs you have 4 spots left for the highest ranked teams that did not play in their CCG to get a seat at the table.
You could add a wrinkle that makes it a 12 teamer: The 4 best independents G5 Champs play in for spots 5-8 by playing the 4 highest ranked non conference champions
But...
You must be winner of your conference championship game to get in. So after you seat the P12, B1G, ACC, SEC champs you have 4 spots left for the highest ranked teams that did not play in their CCG to get a seat at the table.
You could add a wrinkle that makes it a 12 teamer: The 4 best independents G5 Champs play in for spots 5-8 by playing the 4 highest ranked non conference champions
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NBDefektor
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What does everyone have against four? Look at all the debate that occurs as a result. If we move to 8, the great sports debate that we've grown accustomed to in October and November will be less significant. Games st the end of the season will become less significant. ****, the regular season in general will become less significant.
Just look at the OSU-UM game in Saturday. If we had an 8-team playoff, you'd have these two almost holding back some of their playbook in the event they play each other again in January. But in a 4-team playoff this game MATTERS.
If we expand to 8, there will be a time when a 3-loss team gets in. I love how every game matters in college football and expanding the playoff would only serve to devalue the best regular season in all of sports.
Just look at the OSU-UM game in Saturday. If we had an 8-team playoff, you'd have these two almost holding back some of their playbook in the event they play each other again in January. But in a 4-team playoff this game MATTERS.
If we expand to 8, there will be a time when a 3-loss team gets in. I love how every game matters in college football and expanding the playoff would only serve to devalue the best regular season in all of sports.
No.
I don't think any consensus national championship would be good for college football. diminished emphasis on regular season will do great damage to the sport long term, already showing in attendance numbers.
Further, I don't believe a consensus national championship is sensible when conferences have different academic standards, scheduling rules, player conduct policies, transfer rules, recruiting territories, etc...
Lastly, I think a single elimination playoff historically does a poor job of selecting the best team. single elimination playoffs do even poorer when it comes to selecting the team with the best overall season.
That being said, I acknowledge we're in a new era and there's probably no going back.
I don't think any consensus national championship would be good for college football. diminished emphasis on regular season will do great damage to the sport long term, already showing in attendance numbers.
Further, I don't believe a consensus national championship is sensible when conferences have different academic standards, scheduling rules, player conduct policies, transfer rules, recruiting territories, etc...
Lastly, I think a single elimination playoff historically does a poor job of selecting the best team. single elimination playoffs do even poorer when it comes to selecting the team with the best overall season.
That being said, I acknowledge we're in a new era and there's probably no going back.
The minute you go to 8 the argument begins about why it should be 12.
College football is a great game, the entire season is meaningful. If you want second, and third, and fourth chances watch the NFL.
Exactly. People argue about who got left out of the NCAA tournament, for crissakes. There's never going to be time where people are okay with it, so let them bitch.
OP:
No. Not happy. Hate CFP.
No. Not happy. Hate CFP.
The NFL argument is tired. 38% of NFL teams make the playoffs. A 6 team playoff in college would be 4.6% and an 8 team playoff would be 6%. Every game would still matter.
Not true even today with Clemson and Michigan and tOSU being top 4 in rankings -- current system gives them equal chance with undefeated Alabama of winning the Natty.
There's only 1 undefeated team in the country (besides WMU), so the very fact that 3/4 teams making the playoff in this current format will have at least 1 loss if not 2, means that every game does not matter already.
