Are You Happy With A Four Team Playoff ?

[hokiehead]

Hokie... You're crazy. I like you, but you're crazy.

The doctor call me crazy
Some say I am
Some say I ain't
The preacher-man call me a sinner
But his little girl, call me a saint.

 

[hokiehead]

I just don't get the logic that, just because Alabama went undefeated, with a very inequitable schedule relative to other teams in the conversation, they should be crowned champs with no other team being able to challenge them.

Nobody ITT is arguing that

 

[Buffnik]

I just don't get the logic that, just because Alabama went undefeated, with a very inequitable schedule relative to other teams in the conversation, they should be crowned champs with no other team being able to challenge them.

Hokie being Hokie. Now we'll probably get an even longer post that goes into strawmen, tries to go to a different point, and attempts to overwhelm with a ton of text so he can feel like he got the last word in and won. I'm gonna bow out now because today's too great to spend my morning getting annoyed. Love ya, Hokie.

 

[Highlander]

Hokie being Hokie. Now we'll probably get an even longer post that goes into strawmen, tries to go to a different point, and attempts to overwhelm with a ton of text so he can feel like he got the last word in and won. I'm gonna bow out now because today's too great to spend my morning getting annoyed. Love ya, Hokie.

I'm out, too - lots to do between now and kickoff!

See you all out there.

WTTF! #TheRiseIsReal

 

[hokiehead]

Ouch.

Go Buffs!

 

[patebuff]

I remember having this same convo with Hokie last year. At least he is consistent!

 

[DesertDawg526]

What about one-loss 2003 USC? They were number 1 in the AP and Coaches Poll prior to the Bowl games. Yet, for the then BCS title game, somehow LSU and Oklahoma both got in ahead of the Trojans. I think they beat LSU that year 8 of 10 times head to head if they actually played the game on the field, but of course nobody will ever know.

There is certainly no question that an undefeated Pac team would be in the playoff.

Let's say nobody in the country was undefeated, many teams existed with one loss and the Pac Champion gets left out due to whatever reason (bad computer rankings or bias toward other conferences). History has simply given me reason to not trust in human or even computer rankings when the Pac is typically overlooked or undervalued so frequently IMO.

All P5 conference champs should get an auto bid. Unless that happens then voting is still way too critical an issue and play on the field simply does not matter.

I actually wouldn't even mind going back to the way it used to be with several polls and no true national champion as determined on the field of play.

But if you want to say that play on the field matters, you simply have to put all P5 conference Champs in. It's the only way to make sure biased voting doesn't **** a deserving team. Yes, there will always be controversy regarding the bubble teams. Conference Champs shouldn't be viewed as a bubble team though.

Why do people think a 2 loss Wiscy (if they win the Big) should go over a 2 loss CU Pac 12 Champ? The Pac is easily in the Top 2 conferences this year. We have much more depth than the SEC this year IMO. CU would have only had one loss had Sefo not gone down in Ann Arbor, and it's not like Wiscy beat Michigan this year. So why should the Pac not be considered when other conference champs have just as many losses?

Pac members should not routinely have to have at least one fewer loss than other teams in other conferences to get a nod or the benefit of the doubt. Currently that is the existing structure and it shouldn't be. If play on the field matters, you simply have to allow P5 Conference Champs the ability to show it.

 

[TimmyDUBs]

I was for the eight team playoffs but despite the crazy scenarios right now I am more happy with four than ever. When you've got eight there are way too many two and three loss options available, and the entire season/conference champ games playoffs in their own rights. (Sorry I'm late to the party.)

 

[jkppkjjkp]

This year's scenarios are actually punishing scheduling tough OOC opponents. Both USC and Oklahoma would be much more alive in the discussion had they replaced Alabama and Ohio State on their schedules with Alabama St. and Miami of Ohio.

Losing 1 game puts you on the edge, and that 2nd loss is almost a certain death sentence, this year we might see two 2-loss teams, which would bring the total to 2 out of 12 CFP spots going to teams with more than 1 loss. With 8 teams, I think it would make it more feasible for P5 schools to schedule each other OOC.

 

[The Alabaster Yak]

When CU wins the Pac 12 and ends up at #5 or #6, I imagine there will be some people around here wanting at least a 6 team playoff.

 

[Burrito]

What about one-loss 2003 USC? They were number 1 in the AP and Coaches Poll prior to the Bowl games. Yet, for the then BCS title game, somehow LSU and Oklahoma both got in ahead of the Trojans. I think they beat LSU that year 8 of 10 times head to head if they actually played the game on the field, but of course nobody will ever know.

There is certainly no question that an undefeated Pac team would be in the playoff.

Let's say nobody in the country was undefeated, many teams existed with one loss and the Pac Champion gets left out due to whatever reason (bad computer rankings or bias toward other conferences). History has simply given me reason to not trust in human or even computer rankings when the Pac is typically overlooked or undervalued so frequently IMO.

All P5 conference champs should get an auto bid. Unless that happens then voting is still way too critical an issue and play on the field simply does not matter.

I actually wouldn't even mind going back to the way it used to be with several polls and no true national champion as determined on the field of play.

But if you want to say that play on the field matters, you simply have to put all P5 conference Champs in. It's the only way to make sure biased voting doesn't **** a deserving team. Yes, there will always be controversy regarding the bubble teams. Conference Champs shouldn't be viewed as a bubble team though.

Why do people think a 2 loss Wiscy (if they win the Big) should go over a 2 loss CU Pac 12 Champ? The Pac is easily in the Top 2 conferences this year. We have much more depth than the SEC this year IMO. CU would have only had one loss had Sefo not gone down in Ann Arbor, and it's not like Wiscy beat Michigan this year. So why should the Pac not be considered when other conference champs have just as many losses?

Pac members should not routinely have to have at least one fewer loss than other teams in other conferences to get a nod or the benefit of the doubt. Currently that is the existing structure and it shouldn't be. If play on the field matters, you simply have to allow P5 Conference Champs the ability to show it.

Will you do a match up comparison this week? Some of your fellow fans are...suspect.

 

[DesertDawg526]

Will you do a match up comparison this week? Some of your fellow fans are...suspect.

I think it would be a really fun exercise. If I have time I will but I'm not sure I'll have time as my daughter is no longer sleeping through the night.

I will say this. We will see the best two teams in the PAC facing off this week. Each team will need to bring its "A" game if it wants to win. Both teams are capable of beating the other. Both teams have top notch Ds with a great secondary. Both teams have a good ground game. Both teams have QBs who can be streaky (in a good way) but sometimes shaky. Both teams have discipline and are well coached. Both teams deserve to be back and are.... it's going to be a great game.

I think the winner should be in the CFP but I'm not sure it'll happen. This is definitely the biggest conference championship game of the year. No other conference comes close to the potential significance and drama IMO. The SEC East is a joke. Neither of the top 2 Big teams is even in their game. Clemson plays by far in the weakest major conference and the Big 12 doesn't have a championship game.

This is going to be an Epic championship game Friday. I'm nervous and excited. Win or lose both teams should hold their heads high. Congrats to both on the long awaited 10+ win seasons!

 

[4BienemyTDs]

Just scrap the B12 and stay at 4 if your main concern is that we have 5 supposed power conferences. And in reality it's probably more like 3 power conferences as I don't think the ACC and B12 stack up to the P12, B1G and SEC.

Completely agree! Big 12 needs to die, just like the old SWC did.

Here is the new world order for a 4 team playoff that essentially uses the conference championships as the de facto 8 team tournament.

PAC 16 (Championship Game at Las Vegas NFL Stadium)
James Division = Washington, Oregon State, Stanford, UCLA, Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma State, Houston
McKay Division = Washington State, Oregon, California, USC, Arizona State, Utah, Kansas, Texas Tech

BIG 16 (Championship Game in Indianapolis)
Schembechler Division = Michigan, Penn State, Rutgers, Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, Oklahoma, Michigan State
Hayes Division = Ohio State, Indiana, Maryland, Iowa, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Illinois, Kansas State

SEC (Championship Game in Atlanta) (Sorry Vanderbilt!!!)
Spurrier Division = Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Arkansas, Mississippi State, Auburn
Bryant Division = Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Missouri, Texas, Oklahoma, TCU

ACC (Championship Game in Orlando)
Bowden Division = Clemson, Louisville, Florida State, NC State, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Boston College, West Virginia
Warner Division = Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Miami, Pittsburgh, Georgia Tech, Virginia, Duke, Notre Dame

The four Conference Champions play in the CFP, no questions asked!!!

My apologies to Vanderbilt, Iowa State, and Baylor....

 

[BuffUp]

I vote 6.
Conference Champion each and the independent with the best record (independents need to join a conference).
**** osu, you have to win the conference.