of course, disagreeing without being disagreeable may require the ability to admit when one is mistaken. not everyone has that.
I have it. It's just never been relevant.
of course, disagreeing without being disagreeable may require the ability to admit when one is mistaken. not everyone has that.
I felt I was clear about that in my post. I never indicated that a team would be more likely to have an extra possession over the course of a game.It's not a bonus possession. The author just inaccurately wrote it that way. There is a 12% chance that the deferring team scores in the last minute of the first half and on the opening drive of the second half. That doesn't mean there is a 12% chance of an extra possession.
Well now you are just being unreasonable.no, I believe adults can disagree agreeably
I disagree, agreeably.Well now you are just being unreasonable.
I still can't figure out what CP did in OT against CSU? He can talk his way out of most things, but I'll never agree with that decision.I simply have more faith in the offense to score or pick up a couple first downs at the very least and put the defense (the weaker unit) in a better position, than I do the defense to go out and get a stop to start the game.
As CP did against CSU in OT (although I still disagree with what he chose to do in OT even though it worked), I'd rather our offense apply pressure to the opposition, rather than allow the opposition gain confidence by marching down the field on the first possession against a fairly bad defensive unit.
ASU sucks and we will crush them
FifyBut don'toverlooklaugh at them.
I get the theory. I don’t see the data from previous posts to support it Maybe I missed it in the back and forth. I’m going to DM Nate Silverman.Here is a semi-longform (Mtn-style) explanation of "stealing" a possession.
Games are a series of alternating possessions. If you map out possessions, there are two general possible scenarios up to the beginning of the second half. They look something like thisTeams are represented by X and O)
1) X O X O X O X halftime O X... (No added advantage to receiving in second half. The teams are alternating possessions for sixty minutes, with halftime just serving as a break.)
2) X O X O X O X O halftime O X... (Deferring team gets two meaningful possessions in a game.)
This can be a massive momentum changer, not unlike getting a free turnover in your favor. It is not unusual to see a team go from being down by one score, to being up by a score after this sequence. It can be massively defeating for a team to watch this scenario, without being caused by a mistake made on their end. Clearly, any time you can have two possessions back to back, it is an advantage.
But, it's more than that. Having more possessions in the second half is much more important than having them in the first half. In fact, every possession in a close game is more important than the one that came before it, as there is more information that dictates what you should do, and also what you need to do, to help secure a victory.
You don’t want your defense to get a pick 6 because then the other team gets two offensive possessions in a row.
snow, if you spent half as much time reading the information at the link you posted as you did chiding me, you'd realize that article doesn't answer the question whether the team getting the ball first in the 2nd ends up with an extra possession over the course of the game
I prefer to agree, disagreeabley.I disagree, agreeably.
I felt I was clear about that in my post. I never indicated that a team would be more likely to have an extra possession over the course of a game.
My point was that if you could have back-to-back possessions (regardless of whether or not you get a bonus possession in the game), the middle of the game seems like a great time for that.
Jesus, I can't even believe I'm responding. I don't really care. Just read my **** before responding next time. TIA.
His reasoning was because the defense couldn't stop them and he wanted to offense to apply the pressure, but even after a CU TD, the defense was still going to need to get a stop (with CSU having 4 downs instead of only 3) AND then potentially having to get a stop on a 2 pt conversion that CSU absolutely should have gone for when they scored their TD in OT1.I still can't figure out what CP did in OT against CSU? He can talk his way out of most things, but I'll never agree with that decision.
Silverman?I get the theory. I don’t see the data from previous posts to support it Maybe I missed it in the back and forth. I’m going to DM Nate Silverman.
no, I believe adults can disagree agreeably
Interesting. Here's the full quote:
I still can't figure out what CP did in OT against CSU? He can talk his way out of most things, but I'll never agree with that decision.
I would care about this much more if our OC was willing to actually throw the ball beyond the LOS in the first quarter. Until then, it doesn't matter, because our offense can't move the ball anyway.I simply have more faith in the offense to score or pick up a couple first downs at the very least and put the defense (the weaker unit) in a better position, than I do the defense to go out and get a stop to start the game.
As CP did against CSU in OT (although I still disagree with what he chose to do in OT even though it worked), I'd rather our offense apply pressure to the opposition, rather than allow the opposition gain confidence by marching down the field on the first possession against a fairly bad defensive unit.
Counterpoint: Win toss. Take ball, go 3 & out. Give the opponent an extra possession.
Our offense isn’t exactly starting each game on fire, either. I’d rather get the extra second half possession when our offense seems to have its act together.
It definitely addresses the point I was making. Maybe you don’t understand what I was trying to say. Deferring to the second half has the potential to produce an extra offensive possession. It doesn’t always, but you have roughly a 50/50 chance at that extra possession. That extra possession results in a score 12% of the time. Whereas if you take the ball at the beginning of the game, it’s a zero chance.
That's terrible form....just sayin'.I'm pretty sure I started this kickoff crap, and I really wish I hadn't.
Can we get this back on track?
I mean, this ain't no joke.