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AZ prep football has blown up

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Jebus, Mtn. Your whole argument is "WhErE aRe ThE pLaYeRs?!?!?!"

You think maybe something has changed in the 21st century to make Las Vegas a recruiting destination? Bishop Gorman being a national level football program is a fairly recent phenomenon. Yes, the competition is tough, but again, your argument about draining recruiting resources is absurd. The resources diverted are minimal. You can spend less than 10 contact days a year in the city and thoroughly evaluate prospects. In any given year, it boils down to CU targeting fiveish (maybe?) prospects a year. Prospects whose families can make easy trips to see them play in any number of locales. Prospects who can make easy unofficial visits to Boulder.

But yes, the recruiting juggernaut that was the last coaching staff totally struck out, so that proves EVERYTHING. Because if that recruiting juggernaut could not close on the LV players, who can? WHO CAN?
 
MtnBuff said:
Question is how many resources for what level of return. As you state the competition there from other schools is strong. We are dedicating resources to LA and GA because we are getting a return on that investment just like we are getting a return on resources in TX.

If resources were unlimited then by all means go for the Vegas players but they aren't. I'd rather we spend extra time in AZ or SoCal were we have proven results.
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But the resources needed for Vegas aren’t excessive. Can easily lump Vegas and LA into the same recruiting trip if needed that costs about 3 hours of time and a $100 in rental car/gas money (might actually break even on the cost of flights to LV instead on LA). Point is, the financial resources and time shouldn’t be a hinderance to put in serious effort there.
 
MtnBuff said:
Might have something to do with 10 wins a year and a New Years bowl game every year.

Why would a kid choose to spend 4-5 years in Ann Arbor or Columbus or South Bend.

When we are seen as a place a kid can go and win then our recruiting will change,

Enough of this discussion. What is it, is Vegas a place were we can get players with minimum resources invested or is it a place were we haven't gotten players because we have invested minimum resources? We have had multiple Vegas kids visit so we have invested resources there. Show me some results. You can't because the kids go elsewhere.
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Your listening skills are marginal at best.
If you want to believe that kids in Las Vegas somehow look at CU differently than kids from other states such as Arizona, within the region, keep believing it.
 
TSchekler said:
But the resources needed for Vegas aren’t excessive. Can easily lump Vegas and LA into the same recruiting trip if needed that costs about 3 hours of time and a $100 in rental car/gas money (might actually break even on the cost of flights to LV instead on LA). Point is, the financial resources and time shouldn’t be a hinderance to put in serious effort there.
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idk how recruiting works, but assuming they fly out from Denver, stop in at LV for a morning, grab an uber to Bishop Gorman, recruit a half dozen guys, get back on the plane in the afternoon for the 1 hour flight to LAX and do whatever recruiting in socal.

Hell, I bet you can get around to whatever other LV high schools quicker than you can go check out Northern LA type schools (Oaks Christian Westlake etc) and then try to go hit up the Orange County trinity league schools. My friend used to make the drive from Anaheim to Pasadena and it'd take him a solid hour and a half during rush hour.
 
MtnBuff said:
Question is how many resources for what level of return. As you state the competition there from other schools is strong. We are dedicating resources to LA and GA because we are getting a return on that investment just like we are getting a return on resources in TX.

If resources were unlimited then by all means go for the Vegas players but they aren't. I'd rather we spend extra time in AZ or SoCal were we have proven results.
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First of all CU has historically been in the top 25 if not top-10 for recruiting budgets, so your comment on resources is absolute bull****.

Second of all, when we talk about effort it comes down to the fact our last staff couldn’t close. Growing up in Vegas would be hell, literally and figuratively. Boulder would be the garden of eden compared to where they are from. Just because you have a personal vendetta against recruiting a certain town doesn’t make you right. The fact of the matter is Vegas is large populated area with really solid prospects, there is no argument against it tbh.

But if you want to die on this Mtn, be my guest.
 
buffaholic said:
Las Vegas now has about 2 million people all within 30 minutes of the airport. They have seen the same massive migration of people of Pacific Islanders and African American descent from the Los Angeles area as has Phoenix. This has been going on for sometime now, dating back to Rodney King riots, if not before.

Certainly, not in the same numbers, but still, in massive numbers. They have been putting out about the same number of P5 signees recently as the entire state of Colorado. All of which takes 1 day to recruit all the key high schools.

The fact that we've put in a bit of effort over perhaps one recruiting cycle in the last 15 years probably has everything to do with lack of success there.
The Vegas suburbs are exactly like the Phoenix suburbs. All the kids want to get out of the area, and either play at the Beach or the Mountains. Both are culturally hip and cool, compared to their disparaged living hells. Unlike AZ, there are no home-town P5 schools. But like Zonies, surfers and snowboarders are so much cooler than they are.

Of course, all of this has been pointed out several times to you, but you remain fixed on your initial position, much like you hold onto certain other opinions on another forum, despite all facts presented to the contrary. You keep being you!
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Hot take!
 
Mtn, I want to make sure I understand your position on this, because it’s very easy to have intent twisted. From what I can gather, you’re argument is that we haven’t had any success in the past, and therefore shouldn’t expend any resources on recruiting the area in the future. Is that correct?
 
Not Sure said:
Mtn, I want to make sure I understand your position on this, because it’s very easy to have intent twisted. From what I can gather, you’re argument is that we haven’t had any success in the past, and therefore shouldn’t expend any resources on recruiting the area in the future. Is that correct?
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Unless someone can come up with something that is going to actually produce a return on the efforts my position is that our effort is better spent elsewhere.

This thread is about recruiting in Arizona, a place where we have seen an actual return on our resources invested.

This whole thing started a few years back when some posters here all got their panties in a bunch about some great Vegas prospects who were "CU locks." Yes we invested recruiting effort and a couple of them even visited. I pointed out then that while we had gotten visits it had been a long time since we had a significant recruit (Pritchard.)

Since then it seems like every year we have guys getting excited about a couple offers made in Vegas and as usual those offers don't result in players for CU.

Why Vegas kids don't come to CU I don't know. Despite the idea that it is an "easy place to recruit" the fact is that it is heavily recruited for the actual number of prospects. But yeah, let's take more time away from places that produce and put them into a place that doesn't.

If HCMT feels like he can get a quality kid out of Vegas I have no problem, he knows a lot more about recruiting than any of us here do. I just get tired of the "We should put more emphasis on Vegas, it's easy and they have great kids. " lines every year.

If it turns out that one of our assistants has strong connections there or we identify a kid who has strong ties to Colorado it might make some sense but I am tired of the same refrain every year about how we should recruit it harder with the justification that it is an easy place to recruit.

How about instead putting the effort into places where we know we can get solid results?

If HCMT wants to send some assistants to Vegas I would support that but on a message board the idea that we should sink more effort into a place that hasn't produced for us is hard to justify.
 
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MtnBuff said:
Unless someone can come up with something that is going to actually produce a return on the efforts my position is that our effort is better spent elsewhere.

This thread is about recruiting in Arizona, a place where we have seen an actual return on our resources invested.

This whole thing started a few years back when some posters here all got their panties in a bunch about some great Vegas prospects who were "CU locks." Yes we invested recruiting effort and a couple of them even visited. I pointed out then that while we had gotten visits it had been a long time since we had a significant recruit (Pritchard.)

Since then it seems like every year we have guys getting excited about a couple offers made in Vegas and as usual those offers don't result in players for CU.

Why Vegas kids don't come to CU I don't know. Despite the idea that it is an "easy place to recruit" the fact is that it is heavily recruited for the actual number of prospects. But yeah, let's take more time away from places that produce and put them into a place that doesn't.

If HCMT feels like he can get a quality kid out of Vegas I have no problem, he knows a lot more about recruiting than any of us here do. I just get tired of the "We should put more emphasis on Vegas, it's easy and they have great kids. " lines every year.

If it turns out that one of our assistants has strong connections there or we identify a kid who has strong ties to Colorado it might make some sense but I am tired of the same refrain every year about how we should recruit it harder with the justification that it is an easy place to recruit.

How about instead putting the effort into places where we know we can get solid results?

If HCMT wants to send some assistants to Vegas I would support that but on a message board the idea that we should sink more effort into a place that hasn't produced for us is hard to justify.
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I know it’s not your style, but a simple “yes, that’s correct” would have sufficed.

I disagree, by the way. It’s the coaches job to get as much talent on the team as possible. Past performance has no bearing on future results. If there is a talented kid in Alaska and the whole world is recruiting him, I want our coaches there, too. Vegas is no different.

Now, if you offer a kid and he lets you know you’re not in the mix, then yeah, your time and resources are better spent where you have a better chance of successfully recruiting a kid. But to make the argument that we have failed there before and as a result we shouldn’t put any resources into recruiting the area seems defeatist. It’s also a self fulfilling prophecy. We have no success there, therefore we don’t put any resources into it, we therefore have no success there.
 
buffaholic said:
Las Vegas now has about 2 million people all within 30 minutes of the airport. They have seen the same massive migration of people of Pacific Islanders and African American descent from the Los Angeles area as has Phoenix. This has been going on for sometime now, dating back to Rodney King riots, if not before.

Certainly, not in the same numbers, but still, in massive numbers. They have been putting out about the same number of P5 signees recently as the entire state of Colorado. All of which takes 1 day to recruit all the key high schools.

The fact that we've put in a bit of effort over perhaps one recruiting cycle in the last 15 years probably has everything to do with lack of success there.
The Vegas suburbs are exactly like the Phoenix suburbs. All the kids want to get out of the area, and either play at the Beach or the Mountains. Both are culturally hip and cool, compared to their disparaged living hells. Unlike AZ, there are no home-town P5 schools. But like Zonies, surfers and snowboarders are so much cooler than they are.

Of course, all of this has been pointed out several times to you, but you remain fixed on your initial position, much like you hold onto certain other opinions on another forum, despite all facts presented to the contrary. You keep being you!
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Also, the next boom metro in the west looks like it's going to be Reno. Lots of stuff going on there with manufacturing and distribution. Plus it's a tax haven for the executives at companies in NoCal that also supplies them with cheap labor.
 
MtnBuff said:
Unless someone can come up with something that is going to actually produce a return on the efforts my position is that our effort is better spent elsewhere.

This thread is about recruiting in Arizona, a place where we have seen an actual return on our resources invested.

This whole thing started a few years back when some posters here all got their panties in a bunch about some great Vegas prospects who were "CU locks." Yes we invested recruiting effort and a couple of them even visited. I pointed out then that while we had gotten visits it had been a long time since we had a significant recruit (Pritchard.)

Since then it seems like every year we have guys getting excited about a couple offers made in Vegas and as usual those offers don't result in players for CU.

Why Vegas kids don't come to CU I don't know. Despite the idea that it is an "easy place to recruit" the fact is that it is heavily recruited for the actual number of prospects. But yeah, let's take more time away from places that produce and put them into a place that doesn't.

If HCMT feels like he can get a quality kid out of Vegas I have no problem, he knows a lot more about recruiting than any of us here do. I just get tired of the "We should put more emphasis on Vegas, it's easy and they have great kids. " lines every year.

If it turns out that one of our assistants has strong connections there or we identify a kid who has strong ties to Colorado it might make some sense but I am tired of the same refrain every year about how we should recruit it harder with the justification that it is an easy place to recruit.

How about instead putting the effort into places where we know we can get solid results?

If HCMT wants to send some assistants to Vegas I would support that but on a message board the idea that we should sink more effort into a place that hasn't produced for us is hard to justify.
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By that same logic, HCMM should have stopped recruiting Los Angeles. Where were the solid results?
 
MtnBuff said:
Unless someone can come up with something that is going to actually produce a return on the efforts my position is that our effort is better spent elsewhere.

This thread is about recruiting in Arizona, a place where we have seen an actual return on our resources invested.

This whole thing started a few years back when some posters here all got their panties in a bunch about some great Vegas prospects who were "CU locks." Yes we invested recruiting effort and a couple of them even visited. I pointed out then that while we had gotten visits it had been a long time since we had a significant recruit (Pritchard.)

Since then it seems like every year we have guys getting excited about a couple offers made in Vegas and as usual those offers don't result in players for CU.

Why Vegas kids don't come to CU I don't know. Despite the idea that it is an "easy place to recruit" the fact is that it is heavily recruited for the actual number of prospects. But yeah, let's take more time away from places that produce and put them into a place that doesn't.

If HCMT feels like he can get a quality kid out of Vegas I have no problem, he knows a lot more about recruiting than any of us here do. I just get tired of the "We should put more emphasis on Vegas, it's easy and they have great kids. " lines every year.

If it turns out that one of our assistants has strong connections there or we identify a kid who has strong ties to Colorado it might make some sense but I am tired of the same refrain every year about how we should recruit it harder with the justification that it is an easy place to recruit.

How about instead putting the effort into places where we know we can get solid results?

If HCMT wants to send some assistants to Vegas I would support that but on a message board the idea that we should sink more effort into a place that hasn't produced for us is hard to justify.
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Nobody ever said a player from Vegas was a "CU lock".
 
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buffaholic said:
Mtn is the Mike Pence of CU fandom. Vegas is too dirty and immoral, thus we shouldn't recruit there.
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You are good at personal attacks when someone does not agree with you. No wonder you fit nicely as a lefty on the other board.
 
If Las Vegas is a wonderful place to recruit, how come the local school sucks consistently in the MWC?
 
Jalapeno said:
If Las Vegas is a wonderful place to recruit, how come the local school sucks consistently in the MWC?
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Because, like Phoenix, nobody with options stays. Partly also because they've never won anything, but more so because when you grow up in an oven moon-like environment, you crave something else.

Signed,
Voice of experience
 
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