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Board of Regents Public Meetings this week...

I put three kids through CU-Boulder. They all love sports and football but they'd become completely disengaged from the University until this last football season. Suddenly, they were really getting into it. They were up on campus every Saturday home game. That's what a successful football program does. It brings the alums back. DON'T **** THIS UP REGENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I put three kids through CU-Boulder. They all love sports and football but they'd become completely disengaged from the University until this last football season. Suddenly, they were really getting into it. They were up on campus every Saturday home game. That's what a successful football program does. It brings the alums back. DON'T **** THIS UP REGENTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exactly. If it were not for a FB program, and to a lesser degree MBB, CU would be merely a pleasant memory and I would put $0 dollars towards it. I suspect many, if not most alums, feel the same.
 
Exactly. If it were not for a FB program, and to a lesser degree MBB, CU would be merely a pleasant memory and I would put $0 dollars towards it. I suspect many, if not most alums, feel the same.

And forget about the sidewalk fans who make up most of the season ticket sales and AD donations.
 
After everything we've been through as a school, Alumni base, AD and a fan base over the last +/- 15 years.....the scandal, the misinformation that the school allowed to run rampant via a calculated smear campaign, the careers that were ruined, the regents that were allowed to have a conflict of interest in having their spouse prosecute the school.....the self imposed prison sentence for the AD that came as a result. ALL because no one had the backbone to stand up and talk about facts and truth....and call the AD haters on the carpet. (NOTE: I know that some positive changes came to the school as a result of self introspection by the school, but the above was still largely unnecessary)

After all of that, if someone (Benson and/or other regents) doesn't stand up to squash this and defend a group of men (MM, RG and PD) that I believe really were trying to do the right thing, weren't trying to intentionally cover anything up, and were allowing the process to take its course......They are by default allowing these imbeciles to continue to run with this story and recreate a "scandal". I then may finally be convinced that we will never have a sustainable, successful FB team again. Whenever we have some success, the haters will find some side story (every team, every year has one) to smear the AD and create an environment for every Jack Kroll to have his soap box 15 minutes without an opposing position for the outside world to hear. and the school will allow it irregardless of facts and truth. I can't support that, I just can't. It is truly the definition of insanity.....

I also agree with whoever made the comment that if I were MM, I'd have one foot out the door after being drug through this. There is almost nowhere in the country that he'd have to deal such public scrutiny of his character in a similar situation.

This. Thanks for the post. The CU football program jobs are among the worst jobs in college football for these reasons. One foot out the door is a must.
 
The sad part is, I have no doubt that he's not an idiot.

It's 2017 and I still hear, "athletes make way too much money," even from very intelligent people. I always give them the "hmm, do you mean philosophically?" And then I make sure to remind them how small of a piece of the billion dollar industry pie the athletes are actually receiving so I don't have to hear that terrible opinion anymore. There are people out there who take the owner's sides on everything.

I'm certain that if a politician made a platform to reduce athlete salaries, he/she would gain some traction with it even though all of us sports fans would bust a gut laughing at how dumb that is. I think that's what happened here. No real facts but a lot of, "why do the CU athletes get so much money invested in them when you PAY to go here!"
I don't think that e.g. the NFL making ridiculous money means that its athletes don't make too much. They ALL make too much.
 
Yeah. Free markets and all that. We, the public, are voting with our wallets to determine NFL revenues.
Yes, and not only that, but they possess a skill set that 99.9% of the population simply never have and never will. The "athletes make too much money" argument is tired.
 
Yes, and not only that, but they possess a skill set that 99.9% of the population simply never have and never will. The "athletes make too much money" argument is tired.



Many people have skill sets that athletes don't have and get paid ****. I know, revenue and entertainment....
 
Many people have skill sets that athletes don't have and get paid ****. I know, revenue and entertainment....

Sure. But I'm ok with Jerry Jones making a bit less and the players on his team making a bit more. He's getting appreciation on his investment via the strength of the league which far outstrips how meaningful his annual profits are to him anyway. I'm not gonna worry about a clipboard holder making a million a year when billionaires are turning into multi-billionaires by owning teams and any money that doesn't go to athletes (the people who are actually providing the entertainment to us) goes to those owners.
 
Enough blasting Kroll. We should be contacting our own elected Regents and letting them know how we feel. Kroll is gonna Kroll. He can go **** himself. There are eight other Regents who need to be hearing from us.
 
Enough blasting Kroll. We should be contacting our own elected Regents and letting them know how we feel. Kroll is gonna Kroll. He can go **** himself. There are eight other Regents who need to be hearing from us.
And they seem to be waiting until all the facts are out there before spewing things to local media outlets.
 
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Also need to call his BS on the $8 million in student fees over 4 years going to the AD, and then tell him how much revenue the AD brings them in tuition and fees paid to the university, all of whom are charged out of state tuition even if they are in state students.
is that true at all schools or a Colorado thing?

Edit: not the case at all schools. why the hell does Colorado do this?
 
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Board of Regents like money. Money comes from legislators. Those in Colorado might want to give their State House Reps and State Senators an ear full.
 
Because CU does not like to play nice with the AD.
Funding at CU has always been problematic since the state is so tight with higher ed funding. The academic side makes a little money through a blanket use of OOS scholarship dollars. This athletic subsidy is important to the University budget.

Still seems like athletics is a "nice to have", but not universally considered a "have to have."
 
I'm just wondering, how much do Regents make off the football program? I'd think they get a taste at least? Idk that, just curious.
 
I'm just wondering, how much do Regents make off the football program? I'd think they get a taste at least? Idk that, just curious.
They don't make anything off the football program directly since the AD doesn't give money back to the university. They just benefit from the success of the academic and fund raising side and those do well when the football and basketball team do well.
 
They don't make anything off the football program directly since the AD doesn't give money back to the university. They just benefit from the success of the academic and fund raising side and those do well when the football and basketball team do well.
I see, thanks.
 
To increase revenues to the school.
ok, but I assume the university self-funds some portion of athletic scholarships, especially for the non-revenue sports (correct that assumption if I'm wrong). seems like they're just moving numbers from one column of the balance sheet to another with net zero outcome.
 
ok, but I assume the university self-funds some portion of athletic scholarships, especially for the non-revenue sports (correct that assumption if I'm wrong). seems like they're just moving numbers from one column of the balance sheet to another with net zero outcome.
I don't think that's correct. There are student fees that are directed towards the athletic department. Those fees are bundled with ticket sales revenue, TV revenues, donations, conference payouts, concessions, parking, etc to make up the revenue if the athletic department. One of the expenses for the department is scholarships. This includes scholarships for all student athletes, not just football. My understanding is that every student athlete is charged at the out-of-state level. So, there's something like 200 scholarship athletes in campus (just a rough guess on that number), and the athletic department pays out of state tuition and fees for each of them.
 
Hmm, you mean philosophically?

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Okay. My philosophy is more power to them, this is the system and they're just getting what they can - anyone would. But from a practical point of view, I don't make enough money to foot the bill. Or rather, I choose to take vacations, buy nice things for the wife, and save the rest for retirement in lieu of buying NFL tickets and swag.
 
ok, but I assume the university self-funds some portion of athletic scholarships, especially for the non-revenue sports (correct that assumption if I'm wrong). seems like they're just moving numbers from one column of the balance sheet to another with net zero outcome.
The football team self-funds the scholarships for non-revenue sports other than basketball which breaks even. They get the student fee ($28 a semester) but that is it.
 
The football team self-funds the scholarships for non-revenue sports other than basketball which breaks even. They get the student fee ($28 a semester) but that is it.

The university also loans money and backs debt needed for one time events.
- When CU changed conferences, money was loaned to the AD to shore up a loss in revenue from leaving the Big 12.
- Bonds for capital projects are backed by the university.
- the university funded the parking garage under the indoor practice facility because it serves a use campus beyond athletics.

To my knowledge, the AD has to pay borrowed funds back and retire debt from bonds used to build facilities.

One of the bigger areas of support is use of the land and facilities themselves. I doubt the CUAD pays rent to the University or the state for use of the stadium and athletic facilies.
 
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