Think in terms of planning a military campaign.
Also just think in terms of teaching in general.
You don't give the final exam at the start of the semester.
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Bowl Games (other than ours) and associated silliness 2024 Plus the Playoffs
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Also just think in terms of teaching in general.
You don't give the final exam at the start of the semester.
The service academies have a whole period of time, well more than a week, built and planned around the service academy games. Outsiders would look at them as just a bunch of dusty traditions but they are all part of ingraining a culture that is part of forming the officers who eventually will be the core of the command structure of the military.
This isn't stuff that can just be moved from the end of the season to the beginning. It's a lot bigger than some cheers and parades
We're ok crowning a NC who didn't even win their conference, ok paying players, ok with players transferring every year, ok with conference realignment that has nothing to do with geography or traditional rivalries or similar academics..... but the Army/Navy game is too sacred to move to a different week.
I'm just not seeing the logic.
Not so you give the final exam after the end of the semester (in this analogy the AAC CCG).
Look, I don't really care. I just find the passion over the Army/Navy game disproportionate to its relevance. Maybe if I had a military background of any sort I'd feel differently.
The game is bigger (to the schools) than the conference championship, the playoff, any bowl, etc.
It is their biggest game of the year, in any year.
No qualifiers, no "unless ___."
It's the biggest game.
They ain't moving it for anyone.
The Army/Navy game is an advertising campaign for the Military Industrial Complex. There is no way the powers that be allow any changes.
Can you please not destroy the one remaining thing about college football that is wonderful?
I doubt I could even if I wanted
I actually thought he did a good job of not being a cheerleader, though.
Fantastic. Go independent or drop down to FCS.
Sources: SEC, Big Ten to hold second AD meeting to explore CFP format changes and more
Is a 14-team College Football Playoff with multi-automatic qualifiers per league possible?
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On Sunday, in an interview with ESPN, ACC commissioner Jim Phillips says his league is weighing possible changes to championship game weekend, suggesting a play-in style tournament.
“The conference championship games are important, as long as we make them important, right?" Phillips said. "Do you play two versus three? You go through the regular season and whoever wins the regular season, just park them to the side, and then you play the second-place team versus the third-place team in your championship game. So you have a regular-season champion, and then you have a conference tournament or postseason champion.”
Sounds like this idea is gaining traction.
Would you be in favor if the Big 12 did the same?
Also hearing that Big 10 and SEC are also looking at this type of set-up as well.
I have no problem with keeping this game scheduled as is. No reason that Army vs Navy (go Navy!) can't stay the same weekend and add in the first round of the playoffs the same weekend. It's not as if a rational playoff system would ever include a military acadamy, or any G5 school for that matter, so no need for them to own all of the prime real estate on that calender date.
Sources: SEC, Big Ten to hold second AD meeting to explore CFP format changes and more
Is a 14-team College Football Playoff with multi-automatic qualifiers per league possible?
On Sunday, in an interview with ESPN, ACC commissioner Jim Phillips says his league is weighing possible changes to championship game weekend, suggesting a play-in style tournament.
“The conference championship games are important, as long as we make them important, right?" Phillips said. "Do you play two versus three? You go through the regular season and whoever wins the regular season, just park them to the side, and then you play the second-place team versus the third-place team in your championship game. So you have a regular-season champion, and then you have a conference tournament or postseason champion.”
Sounds like this idea is gaining traction.
Would you be in favor if the Big 12 did the same?
Also hearing that Big 10 and SEC are also looking at this type of set-up as well.
The dumbest idea EVER.
You can't have a postseason "champion" when the best team is sidelined.
To me it feels like those with military backgrounds are letting their bias cloud their judgement.
Should the way Army/Navy view their game take precedence over the rest of college football and what makes sense for the entirety of the sport? No.
Would that game be considered more important than a first round playoff game if you asked anyone outside of the military or anyone with affiliation to either school? I would bet also no.
Maybe it doesn’t need to be moved, but first round playoff games should take place that weekend. And I’m sure plenty of the people that really value that game will be upset, but they shouldn’t be the only focus that weekend. They would probably be a very low priority watch compared to first round playoff games as well unless all were blowouts.
Should the way Army/Navy view their game take precedence over the rest of college football and what makes sense for the entirety of the sport? No.
Would that game be considered more important than a first round playoff game if you asked anyone outside of the military or anyone with affiliation to either school? I would bet also no.
Maybe it doesn’t need to be moved, but first round playoff games should take place that weekend. And I’m sure plenty of the people that really value that game will be upset, but they shouldn’t be the only focus that weekend. They would probably be a very low priority watch compared to first round playoff games as well unless all were blowouts.
You're missing the point.
The "rest of college football" doesn't actuality have the power or authority to change jack shît in regards to when this game is scheduled.
Army and Navy do not give a flying fûck about "the rest of college football," or what is good or bad for CFP.
So unless you have some magic power to make them do what you want, they will tell you kindly go fück off.
That’s why I said at the end, maybe it doesn’t need to be moved. The playoff just needs to schedule their first round that weekend.
The best thing for everyone might be for Army Navy to schedule their game Thanksgiving weekend.
But... Thanksgiving is one of the few times (and the first time since early July for the freshmen) that the students can actually go home and see their families, so that's a conflict that's hard to reconcile.
So, in the end, the best thing for everyone might be the best for the game as a whole, and for the top 48-64 teams to break away and form their own division/ league/ whatever.
The other good alternative is for Army/Navy to go independent with a scheduling alliance with the AAC, and then play each other "championship" weekend.
Klatt had a good idea (IMO) which was for the entire football season to be kicked off in a ceremonious way with Army/Navy being played in week zero by itself. Would be a ratings monster since it’d be the first game of the CFB season and all the patriotic fan fare and festivities. It would not only help the scheduling issues for CFB but put more eyeballs on them and start a new tradition for kicking off the football season.
Of course, this was in a scenario where he was “CFB Commissioner for a day”.
I feel like you didn't read any of the back and forth about this topic before wading in.
Bottom line: army navy being played first does not serve the military and education mission of the schools, and i don't believe they would or should sacrifice that for "ratings."
No, I guess I didn’t. For some reason when I opened this thread it jumped right to Bread’s first post on this page about it.
I’m with hokie, though. I don’t have strong feelings on it but I also don’t see a compelling argument made in here for it not to be considered.
In the end I think we are going to see the top schools separate off into their own division, and it isn't going to be 64, may not even be 48. I don't know any more than anyone else but I'm guessing 30-35 when it all shakes out and the service academies aren't going to be a part of it.
Considering that the service academies aren't going to decide to allow players to portal in (unless they want to start college all over again as a freshman,) aren't going to participate in NIL races for guys, etc. they aren't going to fit in the upper division anyways.
In the end, and this is just wild speculation, I wonder if we don't end up with a separate organization that would still be able to generate revenues with football, not at levels comparable to the "power" schools but enough to cover their cost and allow them to continue with football as a part of student/campus life and a connection to their alumni/supporter base.
Army/Navy are not going to move the game to week 0, they haven't even had a chance to integrate their freshmen into the culture yet, They aren't going to go to Thanksgiving weekend for the reasons @skibum mentioned. The game is a integral part of the cadet/midshipman experience, mandatory for all first year students and close for the rest. Playing Thanksgiving weekend would mean either making it optional or taking away their first real opportunity to reconnect with their families, neither is acceptable in the context of what the games and the academies are all about.
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I'm going to have to disagree with you on this one, Skibum.
While one could argue that "army navy being played first does not serve the military and education mission of the schools", I also don't believe the entirety of the FCS football schedule should not be held hostage by giving them an entire weekend to themselves at the end of the season.
Either give them an exclusive time slot on conference championship game weekend or start the season with the game. Either is fine with me personally.
If you are open to not having a weekend dedicated to exclusively the Army-Navy game across all of FCS at the end of the season, then I would say we are in agreement here.
Of course I'm open to that.
I don't know who isn't open to that.
I really don't understand the rhetoric of "hostage taking," and "forcing all of CFB" to do, well anything?
All that I have maintained is that it is good for those particular schools to play that particular game on (or presumably near) that weekend, and they are not going to give that up to make anyone else happy.
If everyone else chooses to work around it, that's on everyone else - it's not on the schools. They will do what they will do to achieve their mission.
I was reading your comments the past few pages as believing Army-Navy absolutely must have a solely dedicated weekend for the game.
I misunderstood.
TV ratings were down
Monday night's game…saw a significant drop from the 2024 CFP championship game between Michigan and Washington. The Ohio State-Notre Dame contest saw a 12.5% drop from … last season's title game.
CFP national championship game averaged 22.1 million viewers, drop from 2024 title game
Monday's College Football Playoff national championship game between Ohio State-Notre Dame drew in an average of 22.1 million viewers. Here's more:www.usatoday.com
I barely watched any of the playoffs. I stumbled upon the championship game while making dinner having totally forgotten it was on.
The college football world is epically stupid to not play more of these games over the Christmas New Years holiday break. I suspect Their rating would be a lot better if the bracket started earlier. Use the holiday to build interest momentum. Play the eight team bracket the weekend before NYD, the quarter final is played on New Years Day and the CFP Championship a week later.
There about 14 Saturdays if started in mid August and ended in November. J/20 is way too late. The CCGs are useless and should be dropped.