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Bowl projections

I would never protest to trying to win over the CFP crowd, but I grew up a college football traditionalist, where the season actually matters and it wasn't just a platform to make it to the playoffs. In my opinion, with only 12 regular season games your final record is all that matters and playoffs are a circus show. I also think the Conference Championship games are bogus as well. 2011 - if UCLA would have beat Oregon, would they really be the best team in the conference?
So yes - if an 8-8 wild card team beats 15-1 team in the NFL playoffs, the Super Bowl is no longer the 2 best teams. That's a fact.
This is why I HATE THE NFL.
Trying to compare CFP to the NCAA tournament or any other "bracket based" tournament is ridiculous. On those other sports, you play so many more games per year and so many more teams have parity, unlike college football. No offense, but not being able to see the difference is ludicrous.
But I am happy for all the "it's not fair, we played really hard but didn't have as good of a record but still want to try" crowd.
 
CUAviator said:
I would never protest to trying to win over the CFP crowd, but I grew up a college football traditionalist, where the season actually matters and it wasn't just a platform to make it to the playoffs. In my opinion, with only 12 regular season games your final record is all that matters and playoffs are a circus show. I also think the Conference Championship games are bogus as well. 2011 - if UCLA would have beat Oregon, would they really be the best team in the conference?
So yes - if an 8-8 wild card team beats 15-1 team in the NFL playoffs, the Super Bowl is no longer the 2 best teams. That's a fact.
This is why I HATE THE NFL.
Trying to compare CFP to the NCAA tournament or any other "bracket based" tournament is ridiculous. On those other sports, you play so many more games per year and so many more teams have parity, unlike college football. No offense, but not being able to see the difference is ludicrous.
But I am happy for all the "it's not fair, we played really hard but didn't have as good of a record but still want to try" crowd.
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I could agree with your point if they had a 16-24 team playoff, but we're talking about 4 teams out of 128 FBS teams getting into a playoff. Having a 2 loss teams being included is typically a stretch and no 3 loss team has ever finished higher than 6th (I believe). So basically the CFP is comprised of the 1 or 2 undefeated teams each year and the 1, 2 or 3 one loss teams and MAYBE a 2 loss team squeaks in, depending on a bunch of different factors. To say that an undefeated SEC program is obviously better than a 1 loss BIG, Pac or ACC program is just stupid. Same thing goes for a 1 loss SEC vs undefeated BIG, Pac, ACC, etc. This is especially true when you consider the ridiculously uneven playing field each conference plays on with different rules, schedules, etc.
 
I want CU to be 4th even if they would be a sacrificial lamb to Bama. You never know the next time they would have a shot like this.
 
Uncle Ken said:
****ing NFL fans.

For me, college football has been about the games. But there can only be one, I guess. One success and 120 failures. CFP has been better than I thought, but (honest question), has it really made college football better?

Old man continues to shout at clouds...
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I think the playoff is great in so many ways. A real champion is crowned. While I wouldn't be opposed to going to 8 teams, more than that would water down the importance of every regular season game which is part of what makes college football so great. They've incorporated traditional bowl games into the system.

There are two things that really suck balls about the playoff. One, they need to play the semi-finals on New Year's Day every year (as well as the New Year's Six bowl games that aren't playoff games in a given year). Make New Year's Day special again for college football fans. Two, they need to be on free TV so everyone can watch. It's ridiculous to have it on ESPN. Yes, most households have ESPN, but there are millions that don't.
 
CUBUFF80 said:
Lost me there...
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When it comes to making the Rose Bowl people keep saying "just win", "we control our own destiny". But apparently that line of thinking stops when the competition is Alabama and Ohio State/Michigan/Clemson for a national title. To me it gives off a fake overconfidence when it comes to facing a team as good as UW (and to a lesser extent Utah), yet people don't attach the same overconfidence when the same phrases would hold true to a national title.
 
Jeric said:
When it comes to making the Rose Bowl people keep saying "just win", "we control our own destiny". But apparently that line of thinking stops when the competition is Alabama and Ohio State/Michigan/Clemson for a national title. To me it gives off a fake overconfidence when it comes to facing a team as good as UW (and to a lesser extent Utah), yet people don't attach the same overconfidence when the same phrases would hold true to a national title.
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I have no hesitation wanting to play in the CFP, even if we would be outclassed by any opponent. It would mean we would be ranked at least 4th in the CFP poll, the exposure would be invaluable and we would have made it onto the biggest stage in CFB.
 
Uncle Ken said:
****ing NFL fans.

For me, college football has been about the games. But there can only be one, I guess. One success and 120 failures. CFP has been better than I thought, but (honest question), has it really made college football better?

Old man continues to shout at clouds...
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Not at all on the "one success and 120 failures" comment.

I'd love to go to the Las Vegas Bowl. Holiday Bowl better. Alamo Bowl better. Cotton Bowl better. Rose Bowl better. Playoffs best.

These are all degrees of allsome for this season. What I find weird is someone wanting to end up below what is possible as his preference. I know you and others have tried to explain, but I don't get it and there's probably no way I'll be able to understand your POV. o_O

P.S. And I am not an NFL fan.
 
Jeric said:
It's funny how people have a "just win/control our own destiny" attitude about everything until it comes to the playoffs. It's an easy phrase to say only when it's convenient I guess.
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Don't understand the point you are trying to make.

The win and control our own destiny discussion is absolutely relevant to the Rose Bowl. If we win out we get the auto bid to the Rose Bowl. A CFP Playoff spot is completely out of our hands.
 
Buffnik said:
Not at all on the "one success and 120 failures" comment.

I'd love to go to the Las Vegas Bowl. Holiday Bowl better. Alamo Bowl better. Cotton Bowl better. Rose Bowl better. Playoffs best.

These are all degrees of allsome for this season. What I find weird is someone wanting to end up below what is possible as his preference. I know you and others have tried to explain, but I don't get it and there's probably no way I'll be able to understand your POV. o_O

P.S. And I am not an NFL fan.
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Agreed. If you want to strive for the best, then you should aim for the best game. That involves being in the playoff. If that doesn't happen, then the next best thing is the Rose Bowl. This whole argument is getting a little weird. Pretty simple to me.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Don't understand the point you are trying to make.

The win and control our own destiny discussion is absolutely relevant to the Rose Bowl. If we win out we get the auto bid to the Rose Bowl. A CFP Playoff spot is completely out of our hands.
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My point is people say win and control our own destiny for the Rose Bowl but yet don't want to face Bama. You can't have this ridiculous overconfidence that you can talk about UW and just say "just win" or act like it's all in our hands and then act like we can't beat anyone in the country. UW is too much of a respectable team to not take them as seriously as one would Bama or anyone in the Top 4. The same people should hold the same control your own destiny and "just win" mentality when talking in a hypothetical where we're in the playoff.
 
Jeric said:
My point is people say win and control our own destiny for the Rose Bowl but yet don't want to face Bama. You can't have this ridiculous overconfidence that you can talk about UW and just say "simply win" and then act like we can't beat anyone in the country. UW is too much of a respectable team to not take them as seriously as one would Bama or anyone in the Top 4. The same people should hold the same control your own destiny and "just win" mentality when talking in a hypothetical in a playoff.
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I think the "just win" mentality is applying to the chances of getting into the Rose Bowl. I am not so sure it is a statement on the quality of opponent we would have to beat to get there.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
I think the "just win" mentality is applying to the chances of getting into the Rose Bowl. I am not so sure it is a statement on the quality of opponent we would have to beat to get there.
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It seems like a drastic oversimplification of our competition, that's just the way I see it.
 
For the record: because this is the new normal - if CU gets invited to the playoffs, then by all means F yeah!

And also for the Record: I think more people would remember CU winning the Rose Bowl as their first bowl in 9 years than they would even remember which bowl they played in in the playoffs (yeah, I get it, this is only one scenario)

And finally for the record: I don't think anyone knows which bowls were actually the playoff bowls and who was in them the year after they happen. They merely remember that 2 teams played in the semifinals.

As for controlling our own destiny - we (ALLBUFFS) are WAY out in front of what needs to happen next. I pray dearly that the players have their heads on straight and NONE of this is even remotely passing through their grapes.
 
Lol'd at the 70-3 predictions I've been seeing. Idk about them apples.

They thoroughly defeated Michigan State last year and that was only 38-0. That's with Michigan State being a less talented and smaller mirror image of Bama. And Michigan State's defense struggled all year and were merely a top 50 defense, nothing like our defense this year. And that was with Derrick Henry, who was bigger than every LB Michigan State(and us!) had. And the RPO has been more effective against Saban than other offenses.

I don't think we'd win, but it's certainly not enough to make me go "please no, think of the children!"
 
TDforTD said:
Lol'd at the 70-3 predictions I've been seeing. Idk about them apples.

They thoroughly defeated Michigan State last year and that was only 38-0. That's with Michigan State being a less talented and smaller mirror image of Bama. And Michigan State's defense struggled all year and were merely a top 50 defense, nothing like our defense this year. And that was with Derrick Henry, who was bigger than every LB Michigan State(and us!) had. And the RPO has been more effective against Saban than other offenses.

I don't think we'd win, but it's certainly not enough to make me go "please no, think of the children!"
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Plus, there's a chance that Lane will have left for a new HC job and Sark will be drunkenly calling the plays.
 
When you're mad that people want Rose Bowl over CFP, but realize that it's better than being stuck in a 10 year quagmire:
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I got bored and made a spreadsheet comparing the Top 9 teams along with USC. I wanted to see how all the resumes stacked up against each other, even though eye test seems to be a large portion of it to the committee. Blue = Top 10/Green = Top 25/Yellow = Non Top 25 solid win/Orange = 5 or 6 win team, G5 or non-bowl teams go into other wins. Not 100% correct with @'s and stuff (I skipped Alabama)
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The things I notice: Our resume is the same as UW but instead we played Michigan and CSU rather than Rutgers and Idaho. I don't think they're favorable to USC. Penn State is punished more by the Pitt loss than they're helped by a Top 10 win. I think we'll know whether we'd jump OU or PSU for the playoff based off if we jump them this week. The B1G is inflated, IMO. We'll see how it looks next week so long as we pull off the W, unfortunately WSU and Utah falling out of the top 25 would hurt us quite a bit.
 
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TSchekler said:
I wonder if Michigan, Ohio State or USC fans feel the same way about the Rose Bowl as some of the CU fans around here. Something tells me they absolutely view it as a consolation prize for not being included in the CFP. It will be cool, one day, when 100% our fan base starts acting as if.
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Party is over. The fan police has arrived. Hello Officer Barbrady.
 
Looks like UCLA (4-7) at Cal (4-7) is likely a bowl play-in game.

80 teams make bowl games.
66 teams are currently eligible.
There are only 17 teams left with the potential to reach 6 wins. These are not very good teams, so the odds are we won't see 14/17 winning.
 
Buffnik said:
Looks like UCLA (4-7) at Cal (4-7) is likely a bowl play-in game.

80 teams make bowl games.
66 teams are currently eligible.
There are only 17 teams left with the potential to reach 6 wins. These are not very good teams, so the odds are we won't see 14/17 winning.
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Cal only has a 960 APR, don't see them getting in.
 
Skidmark said:
Party is over. The fan police has arrived. Hello Officer Barbrady.
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Says the guy who used to make fun of those discussing team uniforms, but would turn around and vehemetely argue the aesthetic appeal of sandstone vs flagstone on stadium renovations. You're also the guy who can't stand to listen to anybody talk about Stanford in a positive light but will turn around and vehemently argue for the so called pageantry and tradition of the Rose Bowl being better than playing for a National Championship. Take a lap and sit the next one out Skid.
 
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