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Brandon Davies dismissed from BYU basketball team
- Thread starter Buffnik
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He is suspended for the remainder of the year is what has been reported. My thread title is misleading, I guess. Typed it up as the story was breaking.
I hope he at least committed a 3 second violation.
I heard he double pumped before it slammed it home.
Send it in Jerome!! Onions!
BehindEnemyLines
beware the habu
Low post moves are his forte
Darian3Hagan
'89 Player of the Year
kalbuff
New Member
God, this is a GREAT thread. We have the standard sarcasm in a thread about religion and sex. Great stuff there. Then we have the noble defense of the religion and its theology. Wow! Doesn't get better than that. So I want to jump in because I attended a religiously affiliated university (name unsaid as it would offend Sackman). And I also attended CU Law School with a great guy from China. This fellow had also been drummed out of BYU and thus he ended up at CU. But after being thrown out of BYU he found he was unable to get into another school in spite of the fact that he had a great record. He was dismissed from BYU for smoking cigarettes and drinking either coffee or tea. He certainly didn't think that would be enough for other schools than BYU to give a damn. So he demanded that BYU give him the record they were sending other schools. In that record the reason for dismissal was "moral turpitude." He threatened them with a slander suit (he was a law student after all) and forced the school to amend the record with an explanation of what "moral turpitude" was. Of course, he was immediately admitted to CU and he compiled a fine record.
As for this particular situation, visitors here might be interested in an in depth examination of BYU's code as related to the Davies incident: http://www.slate.com/id/2287225/
As for this particular situation, visitors here might be interested in an in depth examination of BYU's code as related to the Davies incident: http://www.slate.com/id/2287225/
he should have stuck to only shooting buzzer beaters
K-Mart broke his leg in the first round of the conference tourney, and Cincy ended up losing that game. He breaks his leg in the Championship game of the conference tourney and lose they would have gotten a 1 seed. That was too bad because Cincy was on it's way to an NCAA title. Nobody, not even Michigan State, was gonna beat the Bearcats that year.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
Too bad except for preventing Bob Huggins from getting a Nat'l Title
Hard for me to imagine defending BYU but in this case I do commend them.
To start with they did not kick him out of school, they suspended him. A guy I work with is a mormon and a BYU grad, he knocked up his girlfriend in high school before he ever got to BYU but after being admitted. He had to go through a process to assure them that he would live his life in accordance with church teachings including some counseling and meetings with a number of church and school authorities. The end result was that he married her, they now have a couple of kids and he is very active in the church.
Brandon Davies knew exactly what he was signing up for. He was raised mormon in a highly mormon part of Utah. The conduct expectations were explained to him in individually before he was admitted and reviewed each year after. Even with the violation the school is not throwing him out, they are, within their established system giving him an opportunity to deal with the situation and return to compliance with the exectations of the school and the church that owns the school. If he chooses to do so he will be welcomed back, if not he can transfer out.
I personally would never go to BYU, even if I had a chance to do it for free. I like my beer in the afternoon and my coffee in the morning but its their school they get to make the rules. I would much rather have them be "to strict" on stuff like this than to see schools the have the "situational ethics" that allowed Tom Osborne to play Lawrence Phillips a few weeks after he dragged a girl down a staircase by the hair. That decision really helped everyone involved. It gives Phillips something else to think about as he does his time for his most recent crime against others.
Nobody at BYU says Davies can't have sex with his girlfriend or continue to have sex with her. They simply say if he does he has to comply with the expectations of the church and be married to her. This may not fit well with the modern "if it feels good, do it" morallity that many have but it seems to work well for a lot of people in the long term.
kalbuff
New Member
I agree with your comments, MtnBuff. BYU is what it is. To me the Mormons on the whole are extraordinarily naive about life. It's as though they try to hide from some basic truths. But I suppose understanding much about people and sexuality doesn't necessarily amount to living a good life.
BeBe
Club Member
Exactly. He is being held responsible for his own actions in violating his contract. I only wish more people in our fair country still had that ethic.
I have some very clear theological differences with them but it seems to me that a huge number of them have very happy lives trying to live the lifestyle they teach.
When compared to people who live without the stict adherence to a defined moral code they give up certain immediate pleasures but it seems like they gain much more in the long term. They have a much lower divorce rate with a lot less kids growing up in single parent, absent parent households. They don't have to deal with the consequences nearly as often of drug and alcohol abuse in families, they tend to have a strong sense of family support.
On the other hand they may tend to have way to many kids (hard for me to argue about that being Catholic but they put us to shame in numbers,) and can miss out on some very interesting cultural experiences due to their "closed" way of life.
You can talk about them being naive and have some good supporting evidence. They have one of the highest rates of teenage pregnancy in the country, much of it out of wedlock. Utah has far and away the highest usage of pay per view porn on cable/satelite in the country. Various statistics indicate that spousal abuse is a serious issue in the church and there are other issues as well.
On the other hand I would consider a culture that believes that having multiple sexual partners mixed with various substance usage to be without serious consequences to be much more naive than one that expects a high enough standard that a degree of failure is almost a requirement.
Junction
Club Member
Ummmmm. No, it wouldn't be ok.
I thought polygamy was cool
Junction
Club Member
It might be. But the Mormons don't think so any more... At least not the mainstream church that runs BYU...
Wyoming, which is 10-19 (3-12) is only down 35-38 at the half at BYU today. If BYU loses this, they'll be lucky to get a 3 seed in the tourney.
Also, this should be a lesson to Buff fans on what a difference a big guy makes even if his stat line doesn't blow you away. It changes so much with your defense, rebounding, and ability to set physical screens to free the guards up on offense. Imagine what we could have done if Shane hadn't gone down in the preseason.
Also, this should be a lesson to Buff fans on what a difference a big guy makes even if his stat line doesn't blow you away. It changes so much with your defense, rebounding, and ability to set physical screens to free the guards up on offense. Imagine what we could have done if Shane hadn't gone down in the preseason.
Mormons
AlferdJasper
Well-Known Member
For some reason, Tebow is the "go-to" guy for a religious athlete these days. I have a feeling he didn't look for an opportunity to make the comment, rather the Orlando paper called him for his opinion. I know his mom did some ads for Focus on the Family a while back and he has been forthcoming about being very Christian as an athlete.