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CFB is moving more and more away from that kind of scheduling, though, and simply having one P5 OOC game per year isn't a big deal anymore, even in that Pac 12. It's still better than the majority of the SEC/ACC scheduling, but at some point, most P5 programs will hopefully be at 11 P5 games/year.
It is one game to fill a schedule two years out that already includes Notre Dame and BYU, so essentially 11 P5 teams. Not a big deal at all, sometimes it is hard to fill a schedule with an open home game without paying a ton of money, especially this close.
USC starts their scheduling with 10 P5 opponents: 9 Pac-12 games + Notre Dame. Their baseline includes more P5 opponents than Alabama ever plays -- and they actually schedule true road games. Commonly, they add a game against a school like Texas to that. They're about the last program that should be criticized for its scheduling.
FINE! Maybe I was overly critical and reacted without truly knowing the fully picture. Sue me!
ahoelsken
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They've also played Alabama and had a home and home series with Texas they've completed in years past. If we want to talk about teams who need to be held accountable for weak scheduling...........focus on the ACC/SEC. Texas A&M (appropriate example since our home and home starts with them next year) is playing us and six of these the next two years:
That's before we talk about the absurd way Florida schedules-and their visit (as it stands now according to fbschedules.com) here in 2029 is slated to be their first true OOC road game outside the state of Florida since like 1991 right?
The “haven’t played outside of Florida in decades” rap is bit overblown on the Gators. Yes, it’s been since 1991, but they’ve routinely played FSU and Miami as OOC opponents in addition to their SEC schedule. Is playing Minnesota in September really more compelling to you all than watching UF-FSU go at it?
It’s not about compelling, it’s about the travel, which is a real disadvantage
Not a chance
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
Routinely? Incorrect-Florida and Miami have played four times during the regular season since 2000. People from that part of the country lose me when they say "Well, we play (Insert name of SEC/ACC team here) every year in November." I don't care. Playing Florida State doesn't give Florida a pass from the rest of the 2020 OOC (Eastern Washington, South Alabama, and New Mexico State). Kentucky (if they're good this year) doesn't get to tell us "Hey, we're playing Louisville in November" when they've got 2 MAC opponents and an FCS game filling out the rest of their OOC. Georgia last year is another example-In addition to Georgia Tech, they played UMass, Middle Tennessee State, and Austin Peay. Clemson's playing Wyoming, UConn, and South Carolina State in addition to South Carolina in 2021. That extra cupcake is an advantage for those two leagues.
Alabama is in the same boat with the neutral site games they like to play-USC in Dallas doesn't help you in my opinion (2016) when you're got Kent State, Western Kentucky, and Chattanooga filling out your schedule.
UF has won several national championships in football, and basketball, and a host of other sports. It’s got a wealthy athletic department. It has huge, relevant rivalries with FSU, Miami, Alabama, and Georgia (which is its own special event, The Cocktail Party in Jacksonville). UF has rocketed up the public university rankings over the last two decades. And the problem is???
UF has done almost everything right.
Nailed it.
Seems like most fans and pundits ignore how many P5 opponents a program schedules during conference play and only looks at the number of P5 non-conference opponents.
Sorry everyone, but the SEC playing a P5 opponent in the non-conference only brings their schedule up to equivalent to a Pac-12 or Big 12 team. And the rarity of them leaving their region to play a true road game against a P5 opponent is unforgivable. I guess it's understandable, though. Doesn't do them any good when Georgia loses at Colorado or LSU loses at Wisconsin.
Is any of this relevant in the conversation that UF hasn’t played an out of state non-con game in almost 30 years? Bama and UGA are conference games. FSU is a good game for them obviously but they haven’t played Miami since 2013. So basically, they have one legitimate game a year and it’s in-state, which is nice for them. Otherwise...
And when the committee doesn’t really punish for weak scheduling (SEC teams only), why schedule harder?
People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. UF has played FSU every single year between 2000-2018. UF has played Miami in six years between 2000-2018, 33% of the time.
There are patsies, namely FAU, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Charleston, and FIU. Typically one game a year.
Most of the OCC, however, is filled with La Tech, Troy, Southern Miss, UCF, South Florida, Toledo, UAB, and Michigan (2017). Again, our opinions may differ but I think those squads would do around 50% against the bottom half of the Pac 12.
UF does play at home in September. They don’t travel because they don’t have to. The fans pack the stadium. They pack the bars. And it ain’t Nebraska. There are plenty of good things to do if the product sucked.
Bottom line, the schedule is home centric, but it’s not weak.
There are patsies, namely FAU, Appalachian State, Georgia Southern, Charleston, and FIU. Typically one game a year.
Most of the OCC, however, is filled with La Tech, Troy, Southern Miss, UCF, South Florida, Toledo, UAB, and Michigan (2017). Again, our opinions may differ but I think those squads would do around 50% against the bottom half of the Pac 12.
UF does play at home in September. They don’t travel because they don’t have to. The fans pack the stadium. They pack the bars. And it ain’t Nebraska. There are plenty of good things to do if the product sucked.
Bottom line, the schedule is home centric, but it’s not weak.
It is weak. You’re delusional and biased if you believe otherwise. And again, this isn’t about the ratings for their home games or how many people pack their stadium or bars. It’s about SEC schools, Florida being a big time culprit, not going out of the region to play anybody and getting a complete pass for it.
Please enlighten me on what non conference out of state game would be more challenging than playing FSU in their home stadium in Tallahassee? What maybe five other schools in the country?
You’re not understanding. That is not the argument at hand.
Isn’t the argument at hand that UF should travel more for OOC games?
My response is that they do not have a weak OOC schedule, they give their fans what they want in places they can drive to, and have helped make the university rich, win national championships, and improve to a top tier public research university (top five I think).
If those things are not the metric for measuring success, then I don’t know what is?
Out of all the SEC schools, Florida and Georgia are probably not the ones to pick on. They both have a locked in ACC rivalry game so any other school they schedule is up to 10 which is better than most the other schools in the conference. Leaving the state is a valid criticism but most of the schools they would schedule anyways would be close anyways.
I just wish more programs in the sec scheduled like Georgia
I just wish more programs in the sec scheduled like Georgia
All we’re talking about is how they haven’t left the state, let alone the SE region for a non con game in almost 30 years. Nobody is arguing that FSU is a patsy.
Lots of the SEC is like that. I don't think Arkansas has left the region for a non-conference P5 opponent since USC beat them by like 60 in the early 2000s. (Remember hearing something like that when they went to CSU and the announcers made a big deal about them traveling outside the footprint to play anyone.)
Okay and like I said that is understandable but when you have two other P5 schools, and historically good football programs in the state it is somewhat understandable right? Even if they scheduled a bunch of home and homes the common targets would be Georgia tech, North Carolina, NCSU, Virginia tech, etc. where the gravel isn’t a big deal. Didn’t Florida also do a neutral site with Michigan in Dallas a couple years ago? If you are an SEC AD why would you schedule games so far away when you have so many games that close?
Another thing you have to consider with the sec is their annual cross divisional rivalry games. Florida and Georgia get LSU and Auburn every year while the other teams get garbage matchups. Alabama gets Tennessee for god sakes.
I think the bigger issue is the scheduling of FCS teams late in the year when the pac, big 10 and big 12 are playing consequential conference games.
68buffs
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You hit on many positive points, the problem I have is the SEC and ACC is they won't travel outside of the south. Don't even say but bama and sc played in texas. I think most everyone here liked it when Georgia came and played the Buffs. It would be good for college football for all those teams to travel a few time zones away.
Pac: we play one extra conference game.
Sec: ok
Pac: you should do the same.
Sec: it’s our conference, we are free to do what we want. We like how it is.
Pac: it’s not fair, though
Sec: we think we play tougher conference games, but why don’t you have one less if you’re so concerned?
Pac: cause it costs a bunch to schedule a body bag game out here and the fans don’t show for those games.
Sec: yeah, we don’t have that problem.
Pac: ok, keep your conference schedule, but play out of the region
Sec: why? Our fans like to drive to the games. It’s inexpensive and the tailgating is great.
Pac: F*** your fans, play outside the region
Sec: that doesn’t seem like a good strategy
Pac: you’re wrong, we screw our fans with bad time slots and inadequate tv distribution. Nobody seems to care.
Sec: umm, ok. Seems like a bad business model.
Pac: we signed the most lucrative media contract ever.
Sec: lots of years ago. Aren’t you last in the P5 tv money now?
Pac: temporarily. But Larry Scott is on it and we own our content.
Sec: great, we like our partnership with espn.
Pac: And all espn does is slobber all over you.
Sec: yeah, we like the attention. You could partner with espn too
Pac: screw that.
Sec: ok, we’re fine with that too. It’s your conference.
Pac: lets get back to how you should do things our way.
Sec: huh?
Pac: your scheduling is weak. You’re a fraud.
Sec: how so?
Pac: you mix in a weak opponent late in the year.
Sec: makes sense to heal up, and play our better rivalry games at full strength at the season end.
Pac: we don’t do that.
Sec: nobody is stopping you. It is your conference.
Pac: there isn’t anyone out here really to schedule and the fans aren’t showing up for that.
Sec: yeah, we don’t have that problem
Pac: you’re still a fraud.
Sec: but we keep winning national championships
Pac: with the weak schedule
Sec: it’s not weak, and we play head to head in the playoffs
Pac: that’s not the point
Sec: it isn’t?
Pac: you guys are a bunch of inbred morons who don’t understand a goddamn thing about running a conference
Sec: wow, that escalated quickly
Sec: ok
Pac: you should do the same.
Sec: it’s our conference, we are free to do what we want. We like how it is.
Pac: it’s not fair, though
Sec: we think we play tougher conference games, but why don’t you have one less if you’re so concerned?
Pac: cause it costs a bunch to schedule a body bag game out here and the fans don’t show for those games.
Sec: yeah, we don’t have that problem.
Pac: ok, keep your conference schedule, but play out of the region
Sec: why? Our fans like to drive to the games. It’s inexpensive and the tailgating is great.
Pac: F*** your fans, play outside the region
Sec: that doesn’t seem like a good strategy
Pac: you’re wrong, we screw our fans with bad time slots and inadequate tv distribution. Nobody seems to care.
Sec: umm, ok. Seems like a bad business model.
Pac: we signed the most lucrative media contract ever.
Sec: lots of years ago. Aren’t you last in the P5 tv money now?
Pac: temporarily. But Larry Scott is on it and we own our content.
Sec: great, we like our partnership with espn.
Pac: And all espn does is slobber all over you.
Sec: yeah, we like the attention. You could partner with espn too
Pac: screw that.
Sec: ok, we’re fine with that too. It’s your conference.
Pac: lets get back to how you should do things our way.
Sec: huh?
Pac: your scheduling is weak. You’re a fraud.
Sec: how so?
Pac: you mix in a weak opponent late in the year.
Sec: makes sense to heal up, and play our better rivalry games at full strength at the season end.
Pac: we don’t do that.
Sec: nobody is stopping you. It is your conference.
Pac: there isn’t anyone out here really to schedule and the fans aren’t showing up for that.
Sec: yeah, we don’t have that problem
Pac: you’re still a fraud.
Sec: but we keep winning national championships
Pac: with the weak schedule
Sec: it’s not weak, and we play head to head in the playoffs
Pac: that’s not the point
Sec: it isn’t?
Pac: you guys are a bunch of inbred morons who don’t understand a goddamn thing about running a conference
Sec: wow, that escalated quickly
This isn’t just a pac 12 thing though but good try. Also, sec fans want more conference games and they like to travel wherever that is why you are seeing them schedule games all around the country and sign up for a bowl game in vegas. the conference just likes to be at an advantage which is some bull**** if you ask me, just make things uniform and quit being a pain in the ass.
Look, I know I’m engaging in hyperbole, but I’m trying to counteract some of the groupthink that goes on here. It looks like UF, for example, has scheduled more out of area games. Great. I love it when CU plays on the east coast, much easier for me to see them. But I understand why the don’t do it often. In the end, teams and conferences should schedule what works for them, the alumni and fans.