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Simplest move would be to not include football in T9 considerations.

Football pays for everything else and there isn't even a women's sport which mirrors it, so I don't think it's problematic to treat it as a different thing and say that athletic scholarships need to be offered in equal number for all other sports sponsored by the university.
From a logic standpoint that makes sense. Without football many of the non-revenue sports for both men and women would disappear.

Not going to happen though because there are enough politicians out there who don't care about college sports or the athletes but do care about getting re-elected who would jump up to make it about hurting women's rights.

If the NIL payments come out of the university instead of second hand sources T9 immediately becomes an issue. It also though makes the athletes employees of the university meaning that labor laws including minimum wage laws and tax laws become a part of it and even things like OSHA.
 

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From a logic standpoint that makes sense. Without football many of the non-revenue sports for both men and women would disappear.

Not going to happen though because there are enough politicians out there who don't care about college sports or the athletes but do care about getting re-elected who would jump up to make it about hurting women's rights.

If the NIL payments come out of the university instead of second hand sources T9 immediately becomes an issue. It also though makes the athletes employees of the university meaning that labor laws including minimum wage laws and tax laws become a part of it and even things like OSHA.
The facts need to be clearly stated to them.

1. Title IX was a good piece of legislation that did a lot to improve athletic participation and opportunities for girls and women.

2. However, no legislation is perfect. For example, it requires balanced numbers on scholarships offered and includes football with its 85 scholarships. Unlike many other sports (soccer, track, golf, tennis, basketball, baseball, hockey, etc), there is no female sport that mirrors football and also no female sport which requires such a large roster.

3. The answer cannot be "just cut football" because football creates the vast majority of revenue and drives the vast majority of donations. Without it, there's no money to offer so many other sports or any other sports at the level of coaching, training and facilities they currently do. Eliminating football would dramatically decrease opportunities for other female athletes, having the opposite impact intended by Title IX.

4. The imperfect answer to meeting Title IX has been to tilt the wheel. For example, women's basketball teams issue more scholarships than men's teams. They don't want or need those extra scholarships. So often they grant scholarships to students who play against the team in practice. These practice scholarships are generally given to men since they can give better competition. Those scholarships are counted by Title IX as women's sports scholarships and in these cases end up being counterproductive for equality in gender participation. More problematic, Title IX goals were achieved in large part by reducing opportunities for men rather than increasing opportunities for women. Sports such as wrestling and men's volleyball have basically been killed due to Title IX. And the highest participation sports among boys, soccer, is usually not offered as a scholarship college sport.

5. Based on recent rulings that college athletes can be paid through sponsors, companies and boosters are funneling millions into Collectives that almost exclusively pay football players - the only college sport people care enough about to spend enough money on to fund university athletics. But this system is unregulated, leading to corruption and also to football athletes not having an entity which can protect their rights and avoid exploitation.

6. The colleges want to address this by eliminating Collectives and paying the football athletes directly under uniform rules which protect player welfare and have accounting transparency. This is fiscally impossible under Title IX because it would require every scholar athlete for every sport to be paid the same as football players. The only option colleges would have if they wanted to address the problems of exploitation and malfeasance under current Title IX would be to:

A. Eliminate even more scholarship sports except for revenue generators like football and both men's & women's basketball.

B. Decouple these revenue sports from the non-profit athletic department as a for-profit business that wouldn't be subject to Title IX.

In summation, the only question before us is whether we want to save college scholarship sports opportunities by revising Title IX with a football exception. Because colleges rely on football too much to eliminate it and will be forced to eliminate pretty much every other sport if nothing is done.
 
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The facts need to be clearly stated to them.

1. Title IX was a good piece of legislation that did a lot to improve athletic participation and opportunities for girls and women.

2. However, no legislation is perfect. For example, it requires balanced numbers on scholarships offered and includes football with its 85 scholarships. Unlike many other sports (soccer, track, golf, tennis, basketball, baseball, hockey, etc), there is no female sport that mirrors football and also no female sport which requires such a large roster.

3. The answer cannot be "just cut football" because football creates the vast majority of revenue and drives the vast majority of donations. Without it, there's no money to offer so many other sports or any other sports at the level of coaching, training and facilities they currently do. Eliminating football would dramatically decrease opportunities for other female athletes, having the opposite impact intended by Title IX.

4. The imperfect answer to meeting Title IX has been to tilt the wheel. For example, women's basketball teams issue more scholarships than men's teams. They don't want or need those extra scholarships. So often they grant scholarships to students who play against the team in practice. These practice scholarships are generally given to men since they can give better competition. Those scholarships are counted by Title IX as women's sports scholarships and in these cases end up being counterproductive for equality in gender participation. More problematic, Title IX goals were achieved in large part by reducing opportunities for men rather than increasing opportunities for women. Sports such as wrestling and men's volleyball have basically been killed due to Title IX. And the highest participation sports among boys, soccer, is usually not offered as a scholarship college sport.

5. Based on recent rulings that college athletes can be paid through sponsors, companies and boosters are funneling millions into Collectives that almost exclusively pay football players - the only college sport people care enough about to spend enough money on to fund university athletics. But this system is unregulated, leading to corruption and also to football athletes not having an entity which can protect their rights and avoid exploitation.

6. The colleges want to address this by eliminating Collectives and paying the football athletes directly under uniform rules which protect player welfare and have accounting transparency. This is fiscally impossible under Title IX because it would require every scholar athlete for every sport to be paid the same as football players. The only option colleges would have if they wanted to address the problems of exploitation and malfeasance under current Title IX would be to:

A. Eliminate even more scholarship sports except for revenue generators like football and both men's & women's basketball.

B. Decouple these revenue sports from the non-profit athletic department as a for-profit business that wouldn't be subject to Title IX.

In summation, the only question before us is whether we want to save college scholarship sports opportunities by revising Title IX with a football exception. Because colleges rely on football too much to eliminate it and will be forced to eliminate pretty much every other sport if nothing is done.
Agree with all of this. The system works (now) for the universities making huge money off sports, almost all of it from football but also from men's basketball.

There are a very limited number of women's basketball and volleyball teams that come close to breaking even and even a few that turn a small profit but overall the numbers are small enough that without the football subsidy it's fair to say that many schools would drop sports or make them non-scholarship.

An example of how the politics ignore the realities and hurt women at the same time. Title IX specifically states that spirit squads cannot be considered part of the athletic department and do not count in the scholarship count.

If schools were allowed to count competitive spirit squads it would balance many of the men on football scholarships. It would also mean that more scholarships could be given, mostly to women. Another huge part of this is that the women on the spirit squads are not allowed to use athletic department resources such as athletic trainers and doctors. This means that when a woman is injured as a part of a spirit squad the people on campus who are best equipped and trained to deal with the injuries cannot support them. They can't use AD weight rooms, training tables, etc. as well.

There have been bills or amendments to bills introduced that would correct this situation but they have been blocked by congress members who often don't represent districts that have schools with major athletic programs, and the accompanying spirit programs.
 

While this language is inflammatory as to what occurred the night of the crash, text messages provide evidence that football staffers, with the Association's knowledge, regularly drove recruits and their guests after consuming alcohol at Athens' restaurants and bars."

The amended complaint alleged that "text messages show that on occasion supervisors and coaches, in effect, encouraged recruiting staff to drink alcohol with football prospects' families-well aware that staffers would leave the events after consuming alcohol."


So, Smart to Bama?
 

While this language is inflammatory as to what occurred the night of the crash, text messages provide evidence that football staffers, with the Association's knowledge, regularly drove recruits and their guests after consuming alcohol at Athens' restaurants and bars."

The amended complaint alleged that "text messages show that on occasion supervisors and coaches, in effect, encouraged recruiting staff to drink alcohol with football prospects' families-well aware that staffers would leave the events after consuming alcohol."


So, Smart to Bama?
" Smart to bama" is so counterintuitive
 
The facts need to be clearly stated to them.

1. Title IX was a good piece of legislation that did a lot to improve athletic participation and opportunities for girls and women.

2. However, no legislation is perfect. For example, it requires balanced numbers on scholarships offered and includes football with its 85 scholarships. Unlike many other sports (soccer, track, golf, tennis, basketball, baseball, hockey, etc), there is no female sport that mirrors football and also no female sport which requires such a large roster.

3. The answer cannot be "just cut football" because football creates the vast majority of revenue and drives the vast majority of donations. Without it, there's no money to offer so many other sports or any other sports at the level of coaching, training and facilities they currently do. Eliminating football would dramatically decrease opportunities for other female athletes, having the opposite impact intended by Title IX.

4. The imperfect answer to meeting Title IX has been to tilt the wheel. For example, women's basketball teams issue more scholarships than men's teams. They don't want or need those extra scholarships. So often they grant scholarships to students who play against the team in practice. These practice scholarships are generally given to men since they can give better competition. Those scholarships are counted by Title IX as women's sports scholarships and in these cases end up being counterproductive for equality in gender participation. More problematic, Title IX goals were achieved in large part by reducing opportunities for men rather than increasing opportunities for women. Sports such as wrestling and men's volleyball have basically been killed due to Title IX. And the highest participation sports among boys, soccer, is usually not offered as a scholarship college sport.

5. Based on recent rulings that college athletes can be paid through sponsors, companies and boosters are funneling millions into Collectives that almost exclusively pay football players - the only college sport people care enough about to spend enough money on to fund university athletics. But this system is unregulated, leading to corruption and also to football athletes not having an entity which can protect their rights and avoid exploitation.

6. The colleges want to address this by eliminating Collectives and paying the football athletes directly under uniform rules which protect player welfare and have accounting transparency. This is fiscally impossible under Title IX because it would require every scholar athlete for every sport to be paid the same as football players. The only option colleges would have if they wanted to address the problems of exploitation and malfeasance under current Title IX would be to:

A. Eliminate even more scholarship sports except for revenue generators like football and both men's & women's basketball.

B. Decouple these revenue sports from the non-profit athletic department as a for-profit business that wouldn't be subject to Title IX.

In summation, the only question before us is whether we want to save college scholarship sports opportunities by revising Title IX with a football exception. Because colleges rely on football too much to eliminate it and will be forced to eliminate pretty much every other sport if nothing is done.

Toot toot

Here comes 4BTuds with the solution

The Universities have a very very valuable asset, and that is their own NIL

Barcelona and Bayern Munich have name value, and they operate a top to bottom Sports Infrastructure that benefits all

How does it happen.... The Schools focus on offering all the non-revenue sports in the best possible way and say their budget to accomplish that is $80 Million and so that is the Annual Nut that they must receive from the new Football-Basketball Public/Private Partnership that gets created to run the Basketball and Football operations. The school needs to do right by the Women's and Non-Revenue sports in the best possible way, and the Football and Basketball Revenue monsters need to be operated in the most dynamic way.

The Bundesliga model is a way to look at a solution, but I have an even more robust idea that benefits everyone, except the greedy ass tag-a-longs that are siphoning profits to themselves.

I think for fun, I will create a document with my proposal, because the sport is circling the drain, and the solution of screwing over the other sports is pathetic.

There is a solution, but all the parties at the table are not interested in the right thing, just the MONEY option.
 
Toot toot

Here comes 4BTuds with the solution

The Universities have a very very valuable asset, and that is their own NIL

Barcelona and Bayern Munich have name value, and they operate a top to bottom Sports Infrastructure that benefits all

How does it happen.... The Schools focus on offering all the non-revenue sports in the best possible way and say their budget to accomplish that is $80 Million and so that is the Annual Nut that they must receive from the new Football-Basketball Public/Private Partnership that gets created to run the Basketball and Football operations. The school needs to do right by the Women's and Non-Revenue sports in the best possible way, and the Football and Basketball Revenue monsters need to be operated in the most dynamic way.

The Bundesliga model is a way to look at a solution, but I have an even more robust idea that benefits everyone, except the greedy ass tag-a-longs that are siphoning profits to themselves.

I think for fun, I will create a document with my proposal, because the sport is circling the drain, and the solution of screwing over the other sports is pathetic.

There is a solution, but all the parties at the table are not interested in the right thing, just the MONEY option.
European models are intriguing because they are clearly working. I have zero expertise on how well they fit with US anti-trust, labor and other laws. Maybe perfectly, but I'm completely ignorant.
 
European models are intriguing because they are clearly working. I have zero expertise on how well they fit with US anti-trust, labor and other laws. Maybe perfectly, but I'm completely ignorant.
The best solutions involve everyone that has a legitimate stake getting a means of a voice, participation, and that revenues and if needed profits remain in the hands and for the benefit of those in most deserving need.
Greed kills all good things and while naive in theory, I pray that something can be done to save this great sport and to save Higher Education Institutions from doom.
 
bs! What the hell is deserving of need? I’m deserving of need. The $ belongs to the athletes that bring in the $ or are active in their own right on social media. thats what the whole lawsuit was about. I’m not about to let a university tell me how much $ I can make. Why should some lousy lacrosse player that brings nothing to the school be getting a big stipend when a scolly, should be enough. you guys are trying or saying that the schools should have control. That’s what got us in this ****hole in the first place. Most of these kids get some sort of paid education as it is. How much need do they need. Not everyone is created equal and I’m really sorry that hurts your socialist agenda but the truth hurts. Not everyone is the same and some people bring more to the table.
 
bs! What the hell is deserving of need? I’m deserving of need. The $ belongs to the athletes that bring in the $ or are active in their own right on social media. thats what the whole lawsuit was about. I’m not about to let a university tell me how much $ I can make. Why should some lousy lacrosse player that brings nothing to the school be getting a big stipend when a scolly, should be enough. you guys are trying or saying that the schools should have control. That’s what got us in this ****hole in the first place. Most of these kids get some sort of paid education as it is. How much need do they need. Not everyone is created equal and I’m really sorry that hurts your socialist agenda but the truth hurts. Not everyone is the same and some people bring more to the table.
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bs! What the hell is deserving of need? I’m deserving of need. The $ belongs to the athletes that bring in the $ or are active in their own right on social media. thats what the whole lawsuit was about. I’m not about to let a university tell me how much $ I can make. Why should some lousy lacrosse player that brings nothing to the school be getting a big stipend when a scolly, should be enough. you guys are trying or saying that the schools should have control. That’s what got us in this ****hole in the first place. Most of these kids get some sort of paid education as it is. How much need do they need. Not everyone is created equal and I’m really sorry that hurts your socialist agenda but the truth hurts. Not everyone is the same and some people bring more to the table.
Can I get a breakdown of the thought process behind the comma between scolly and should?
 
bs! What the hell is deserving of need? I’m deserving of need. The $ belongs to the athletes that bring in the $ or are active in their own right on social media. thats what the whole lawsuit was about. I’m not about to let a university tell me how much $ I can make. Why should some lousy lacrosse player that brings nothing to the school be getting a big stipend when a scolly, should be enough. you guys are trying or saying that the schools should have control. That’s what got us in this ****hole in the first place. Most of these kids get some sort of paid education as it is. How much need do they need. Not everyone is created equal and I’m really sorry that hurts your socialist agenda but the truth hurts. Not everyone is the same and some people bring more to the table.
What about athletes active in their own left?
 
Football brings in the operating budget for most sports at college level. The real danger of an ineffective NCAA is the possibility of their actions killing nonrevenue sports. With open season on NIL and lack of central organizing bodies for both the players and institutions, everyone is playing chicken. A salary cap for football, Title IX reform, conference restructurings, and a general reevaluation of athletics at higher education institutions is a solely needed.
 
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