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I agree with this-I can't see ESPN being thrilled about teams like Indiana last year in the playoff on a regular basis. ****ty OOC, and they basically missed every Big 10 team worth a damn but tOSU.

@hokiehead Completely disagree with what you say about CU compared to both Virginia schools. Like it or not-we're a brand. I think we're still one of the 25 winningest programs in the history of the sport-even with being below average to flat bad for the better part of two decades. Add Prime to that mix. The man is a brand by himself. We're fine as long as he's here-and I think that's probably until his health gets in the way. I think he's doing what he can to set us up for life after him. Rob Livingston did a hell of a job last year, and if that unit keeps improving........I'd make sure he's one of the top 10 paid coordinators in the sport if I'm RG.

I do not understand why Virginia can't put out better football and basketball teams. They've been an afterthought in football for the most part my entire life. I know Mendenhall had a bit of success there....but still. Tony Elliott looks like a swing and a miss type hire. They were bad in basketball until Tony Bennett took that gig VT feels a bit like Nebraska 20 years ago did. Beamer was a hall of famer. Justin Fuente suddenly isn't looking that bad-he won 10, 9, and 8 games in three of his first four years and I think made the ACC championship game. Did the fanbase get a little greedy in demanding his firing?
Hey, don’t forget also their baseball started at #2 in the country and missed the tournament. They got all kinds of inexplicableness.
 
Recent football revenue, to be more specific

The conundrum is the WMA market. Is there a school that can dominate that? I really don't know.

You hit it on the head. The main driver of the poll current football revenue driven by current Conference affiliations and their television deals, however some with lower revenue rank higher; maybe with a little look back and look forward--but the methodology said they went back only 3 years. However, they did throw down some of the conference dogs, like Rutgers, Maryland, Vandy and Wake Forest, who have the conference revenue but offer little else in the football sphere--they do not fill their stadiums or have football brand appeal. I'm not sure they included the impact of outside revenue drivers like merchandise sales, sell-outs, or actual tv viewership/exposure--if it was recent TV viewership CU would be killing it. Fox Big Noon, a College Gameday etc..., but that is 2 years, and looking back to 3 years, we have to include the 1-11 season.

@BuffWarHog-- I think that they viewed TCU being in Ft. Worth as next strongest "Texas team" especially with them making the CFP recently given that UT and aTm have moved conferences. In reality, SMU would share this with them being in Dallas.
 
You hit it on the head. The main driver of the poll current football revenue driven by current Conference affiliations and their television deals, however some with lower revenue rank higher; maybe with a little look back and look forward--but the methodology said they went back only 3 years. However, they did throw down some of the conference dogs, like Rutgers, Maryland, Vandy and Wake Forest, who have the conference revenue but offer little else in the football sphere--they do not fill their stadiums or have football brand appeal. I'm not sure they included the impact of outside revenue drivers like merchandise sales, sell-outs, or actual tv viewership/exposure--if it was recent TV viewership CU would be killing it. Fox Big Noon, a College Gameday etc..., but that is 2 years, and looking back to 3 years, we have to include the 1-11 season.

@BuffWarHog-- I think that they viewed TCU being in Ft. Worth as next strongest "Texas team" especially with them making the CFP recently given that UT and aTm have moved conferences. In reality, SMU would share this with them being in Dallas.
Agree to disagree…based on this article
 
Whether there's mutual interest or if it's just speculation, this is why the Big 12 doesn't want to let Memphis buy their way in. There are going to be 8-10 ACC programs begging to join the Big 12 within the next handful of years.

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I firmly believe that RG and our leadership have been in talks with the B1G about us and if the SEC wisely takes UNC, Clemson, Virginia, etc that we will be a top contender for the B1G. RG has been saying a lot about “positioning” for the next realignment. Prime will coach the next 3 years and go all in on winning a championship with Juju. We need to spend huge these next 2-3 years to build around it. The B1G would be brilliant if they got Miami, GT, Notre Dame, Colorado, Arizona State, and Utah to get to 24
 
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Not to go back to that Athletic Article about Program Valuations, however this came out about Iowa State over the weekend. How do you value/sell a program mired in massive losses?


Some of it is House, but many schools in the B1G face financial problems:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...ies-bleed-red-ink-in-their-athletics-budgets/ UCLA is up to like a $249M deficit.
 
Not to go back to that Athletic Article about Program Valuations, however this came out about Iowa State over the weekend. How do you value/sell a program mired in massive losses?


Some of it is House, but many schools in the B1G face financial problems:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...ies-bleed-red-ink-in-their-athletics-budgets/ UCLA is up to like a $249M deficit.
Maybe all the spotlight on how well run the ISU athletics department is run was due to this - spending money they didn't have and living beyond their means.
 
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I'm curious what the impact will be on CFB now that the NFL owns 10% of ESPN. The NFL has already started stepping on CFB broadcast windows and force CFB to broadcast the playoffs and championship games in non-optimal timeslots. This could be be used as a hedge to prevent an NFL competitor now that CFB is essentially a professional league now.
 
I'm curious what the impact will be on CFB now that the NFL owns 10% of ESPN. The NFL has already started stepping on CFB broadcast windows and force CFB to broadcast the playoffs and championship games in non-optimal timeslots. This could be be used as a hedge to prevent an NFL competitor now that CFB is essentially a professional league now.
If you dont like what the NFL is doing to college football than stop supporting (watching) the NFL...
 
Whether there's mutual interest or if it's just speculation, this is why the Big 12 doesn't want to let Memphis buy their way in. There are going to be 8-10 ACC programs begging to join the Big 12 within the next handful of years.

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I've been in contact with those close to the ACC. They have plans of raiding the Big XII and the Big XII has plans of raiding the ACC.

Based on what I've gathered, the ACC is expected to survive due to Notre Dame who doesn't want to join the Big Ten.

Right now, the Big Ten is the most unique as the SEC is targeting both Clemson and North Carolina.

I've been told FSU, Virginia, and GT is on hold.

FSU, Duke, Colorado, Kansas, and Utah are on standby.

And Nebraska would consider leaving for the SEC with Colorado if the offer came.

The teams that are most coveted from the ACC to the G5 is Tulane and USF.

Memphis is on standby.

It's going to be interesting.

UNC is the first realistic domino and Clemson seems like their travel partner.

FSU was Clemson travel partner but neither conference has the love for FSU as much as Clemson. Florida is strongly against FSU in the SEC. GT is one to watch.

I do feel like WVU, Louisville, UCF, and Pitt seem to be schools both conferences think they can raid. I don't know about that. I am honestly not sure. I think all 4 stick to where they are.

The new Big XII contract will be critical and if Kansas or Colorado (Deion in particular) bails. It could get murky for the Big XII which needs a major power to emerge. Texas Tech is probably the ones Brett is hoping blows up or Colorado since Prime, Rick, and Brett have a great relationship.

The teams to watch are Kansas, Colorado, Georgia Tech, and Duke. Almost forgot about Virginia. They are favorites for the Big Ten as well.
 
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I heard that interview with Hamilton on the Finebaum show today and he obviously had enough confidence in his source to mention it on a national show. But Paul said that he doesn't believe that Sankey would have this sort of informal agreement in place. Regardless, even if true none of this would happen until 2030.
Next year is a major realignment year for G5s with so many moving across the channels. Watch for the Big Ten. They need more big TV drawing teams. Keep an eye on Kansas, FSU, and Colorado. TV will determine the next Big Ten teams. UNC is unlikely to bail before 2030 but FSU will bail right now if the offer came.
 
I've been in contact with those close to the ACC. They have plans of raiding the Big XII and the Big XII has plans of raiding the ACC.

Based on what I've gathered, the ACC is expected to survive due to Notre Dame who doesn't want to join the Big Ten.

Right now, the Big Ten is the most unique as the SEC is targeting both Clemson and North Carolina.

I've been told FSU, Virginia, and GT is on hold.

FSU, Duke, Colorado, Kansas, and Utah are on standby.

And Nebraska would consider leaving for the SEC with Colorado if the offer came.

The teams that are most coveted from the ACC to the G5 is Tulane and USF.

Memphis is on standby.

It's going to be interesting.

UNC is the first realistic domino and Clemson seems like their travel partner.

FSU was Clemson travel partner but neither conference has the love for FSU as much as Clemson. Florida is strongly against FSU in the SEC. GT is one to watch.

I do feel like WVU, Louisville, UCF, and Pitt seem to be schools both conferences think they can raid. I don't know about that. I am honestly not sure. I think all 4 stick to where they are.

The new Big XII contract will be critical and if Kansas or Colorado (Deion in particular) bails. It could get murky for the Big XII which needs a major power to emerge. Texas Tech is probably the ones Brett is hoping blows up or Colorado since Prime, Rick, and Brett have a great relationship.

The teams to watch are Kansas, Colorado, Georgia Tech, and Duke. Almost forgot about Virginia. They are favorites for the Big Ten as well.
Can you summarize what you believe are the most likely scenarios for Colorado? Feels like you were saying ACC at first but then mentioned SEC with Nebraska and at the end said teams to watch for the B1G are KU, Colorado, GT and Duke.
 
I've been in contact with those close to the ACC. They have plans of raiding the Big XII and the Big XII has plans of raiding the ACC.

Based on what I've gathered, the ACC is expected to survive due to Notre Dame who doesn't want to join the Big Ten.

Right now, the Big Ten is the most unique as the SEC is targeting both Clemson and North Carolina.

I've been told FSU, Virginia, and GT is on hold.

FSU, Duke, Colorado, Kansas, and Utah are on standby.

And Nebraska would consider leaving for the SEC with Colorado if the offer came.

The teams that are most coveted from the ACC to the G5 is Tulane and USF.

Memphis is on standby.

It's going to be interesting.

UNC is the first realistic domino and Clemson seems like their travel partner.

FSU was Clemson travel partner but neither conference has the love for FSU as much as Clemson. Florida is strongly against FSU in the SEC. GT is one to watch.

I do feel like WVU, Louisville, UCF, and Pitt seem to be schools both conferences think they can raid. I don't know about that. I am honestly not sure. I think all 4 stick to where they are.

The new Big XII contract will be critical and if Kansas or Colorado (Deion in particular) bails. It could get murky for the Big XII which needs a major power to emerge. Texas Tech is probably the ones Brett is hoping blows up or Colorado since Prime, Rick, and Brett have a great relationship.

The teams to watch are Kansas, Colorado, Georgia Tech, and Duke. Almost forgot about Virginia. They are favorites for the Big Ten as well.
I would love three conferences of around 20-24 each. ACC/Big12 merger with your top programs and Notre Dame is a good conference. I don't think that is probably possible, but would make the most sense.
 
I would love three conferences of around 20-24 each. ACC/Big12 merger with your top programs and Notre Dame is a good conference. I don't think that is probably possible, but would make the most sense.
I don't really understand the logic behind the ACC winning out because ND doesn't want to go to the B1G. In this scenario, UNC and Clemson are going to the SEC taking the top two brands from the ACC. ND isn't joining the ACC as a full time member, so I don't know why they would have any influence on the ACC stealing Big 12 programs.

If Clemson and UNC go to the SEC, I don't see the B1G allowing ND to dictate anything. They will likely go after Miami, Virginia and GT (maybe FSU if they they can deal with the non-AAU status). Once that happens, the ACC is dead and the remaining schools, or some of the remaining schools, would have to join the Big 12.

Only way the ACC survives and the Big 12 collapses, IMO, is if ND decides to join the ACC full time (probably as an higher % rev share), keeping the entire conference in tact.
 
I've been in contact with those close to the ACC. They have plans of raiding the Big XII and the Big XII has plans of raiding the ACC.

Based on what I've gathered, the ACC is expected to survive due to Notre Dame who doesn't want to join the Big Ten.

Right now, the Big Ten is the most unique as the SEC is targeting both Clemson and North Carolina.

I've been told FSU, Virginia, and GT is on hold.

FSU, Duke, Colorado, Kansas, and Utah are on standby.

And Nebraska would consider leaving for the SEC with Colorado if the offer came.

The teams that are most coveted from the ACC to the G5 is Tulane and USF.

Memphis is on standby.

It's going to be interesting.

UNC is the first realistic domino and Clemson seems like their travel partner.

FSU was Clemson travel partner but neither conference has the love for FSU as much as Clemson. Florida is strongly against FSU in the SEC. GT is one to watch.

I do feel like WVU, Louisville, UCF, and Pitt seem to be schools both conferences think they can raid. I don't know about that. I am honestly not sure. I think all 4 stick to where they are.

The new Big XII contract will be critical and if Kansas or Colorado (Deion in particular) bails. It could get murky for the Big XII which needs a major power to emerge. Texas Tech is probably the ones Brett is hoping blows up or Colorado since Prime, Rick, and Brett have a great relationship.

The teams to watch are Kansas, Colorado, Georgia Tech, and Duke. Almost forgot about Virginia. They are favorites for the Big Ten as well.

I sort of agree with you that the ACC and B-12 may merge to be competitive with the B1G and SEC. I suppose B1G and SEC could add a few teams to maybe get to 20. I agree that Notre Dame does not want to join the B1G, too much bad blood there. If we reach a P-3 structure, I'm unsure how the easy it will be to wield conferences with 20+ teams. They probably have to split into divisions, which could mitigate travel somewhat. I'm not sure how they get a new TV deal done or the penalties for teams departing given media grants of rights.

Scheduling for Basketball and other non-revenue sports would be a nightmare for athletes and AD budgets in terms of travel. I'm almost thinking they should peel off CFB from the other sports and have separate conference affiliations to mitigate travel and costs. I could go either way with Men's basketball, but lean towards a separate conference affiliation for them.
 
, I'm unsure how the easy it will be to wield conferences with 20+ teams. They probably have to split into divisions,
I say get 3 conferences to 20 teams each, then split into divisions of 10 each. Something like one division in the Pacific time zone, another in the Midwest, one in the central great plains, one based around Texas, one in the southeast, and one on the Atlantic coast. Have division winners meet at neutral sites for the "conference" championships - like, have that Midwest division and the Pacific division meet in the Rose Bowl or something.
 
I say get 3 conferences to 20 teams each, then split into divisions of 10 each. Something like one division in the Pacific time zone, another in the Midwest, one in the central great plains, one based around Texas, one in the southeast, and one on the Atlantic coast. Have division winners meet at neutral sites for the "conference" championships - like, have that Midwest division and the Pacific division meet in the Rose Bowl or something.
I'm going to lmao if we end up pretty close to where we started 30 years ago, with only a handful of schools moved around/up/down.
 
I don't really understand the logic behind the ACC winning out because ND doesn't want to go to the B1G. In this scenario, UNC and Clemson are going to the SEC taking the top two brands from the ACC. ND isn't joining the ACC as a full time member, so I don't know why they would have any influence on the ACC stealing Big 12 programs.

If Clemson and UNC go to the SEC, I don't see the B1G allowing ND to dictate anything. They will likely go after Miami, Virginia and GT (maybe FSU if they they can deal with the non-AAU status). Once that happens, the ACC is dead and the remaining schools, or some of the remaining schools, would have to join the Big 12.

Only way the ACC survives and the Big 12 collapses, IMO, is if ND decides to join the ACC full time (probably as an higher % rev share), keeping the entire conference in tact.
Because they know they'll lose games in it. ND is gonna ND.
 
I suspect that ESPN & FS will make sure to place the most valuable in SEC/B1G expansion rather than have to pay a 3rd conference or allow there to be a competitive property that strikes a deal with a rival media company.
 
Which illustrate how in the absence of the top B12/ACC schools joining one of the P2 conferences the only viable alternative is to dissolve the two conferences and create a single new conference taking the top media value schools from each and not including the bottom half media value schools.
Agreed and what the host of this podcast hinted at.

If N Carolina, FSU, Clemson and Miami are gone, what combination of the rest of the ACC and Big12 would you think could be a consolidated conference?
Colorado, Utah, BYU, ASU, Arizona,
TCU, Tex Tech, Kansas, Okie St, KSU, W VA, ISU, Baylor

Ga Tech, Duke, Louisville, VaTech,
Pitt, NC St, Syracuse

That would be 20.

Personally would prefer to invite Boise and either UNLV or SDSU and not have Baylor and Syracuse.

Wonder if UConn would again enter the conversation.
 
I suspect that ESPN & FS will make sure to place the most valuable in SEC/B1G expansion rather than have to pay a 3rd conference or allow there to be a competitive property that strikes a deal with a rival media company.
Could this be where a private-equity firm enters the picture ?
 
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