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College Football Realignment

BerkeleyBuff said:
Nah you're kinda making my point. In the streaming world, it's the reach of any team - whether the fans are in the team's hometown or a thousand miles away - that matters. Does CU have that reach? At the moment, maybe not, but Prime has helped a ton in the last couple of years.
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One of the factors that CU has in it's favor is that it has always outperformed it's home market size and alumni base in national TV ratings. When CU is any good people across the country watch CU, both regular season and in bowl games. Even when CU stunk the few times we were on national TV we outperformed in ratings.

TV money is what is driving the whole thing and CU brings eyeballs. With Prime recently we have done even better being one of the most watched teams in the nation the last couple of years.
 
Buffnik said:
Pac-10 only added Utah because they needed a travel partner for CU. So there's about a 10-year run in there where Utah became a more respected national brand. But it's a smaller school in a smaller state which splits its home market, has much less total prestige (awards, national championship, etc), pulls lower national broadcast ratings, and has less value for the B1G member universities as a research partner (B1G actually has agreements for that), fewer B1G alums in its locale, and fewer prospective students the universities would attract.

Football success by CU these next 5 years makes this a slam dunk. Same thing if we're talking about Kansas and other AAU members from the Big 12. The only thing CH loses on is MBB prestige and ratings, which could be a factor if that part of the brand were to be more heavily weighted than it has been.
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College athletics outweighs pro in Utah. It’s the exact opposite in Colorado.
 
Alfred91 said:
College athletics outweighs pro in Utah. It’s the exact opposite in Colorado.
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True, Colorado is a pro sports market and Utah is a college sports market, especially since Denver has an NFL team and Utah doesn't.

That is balanced though by Colorado having a much larger population, 6 million vs. 3.6 million. That college sports market in Utah is also divided with BYU actually having a bigger fanbase than Utah, but BYU isn't getting in to a P2 conference.

If you are in SLC you will see much more University of Utah stuff than CU stuff in Denver but again attendance (stadiium revenue) and TV ratings would give CU a solid edge.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I think it’ll be more than 2 teams but assuming it’s some combination of UNC, Miami, Virginia, Utah, Kansas, and Colorado since McMurphy says AAU is going to be important. FSU gets included for them if they get AAU status. Of course, Stanford/Cal should probably be mentioned as possibilities but if ND is truly never joining a conference, not sure if Stanford really matters.

The SEC would then probably need to also add to get to 20 so that would mean at least a total of 6 from that group, plus Clemson, GT, TTU, TCU, and VT. I actually think when it’s all said and done, it’ll be closer to 24 per conference.

Feels like as long as CU maintains the institutional commitment to football we’ll have a good shot at being included in that kind of format
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I can't wait until the super conferences have eight team divisions and we come full circle back to original PAC 8 and Big 8 groupings.
 
Robert Sorell said:
I can't wait until the super conferences have eight team divisions and we come full circle back to original PAC 8 and Big 8 groupings.
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If you look at the 1990 season and the conference standings, it's actually pretty close to how a new CFB League would be organized in divisions (ACC, B10, B8, P10, SEC, SWC & Independents) to get to that 48-56 team range they are currently taking about.

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Buffnik said:
Northwestern should do everyone a favor and leave the B1G for the Ivy.

At the least, I'd love to see Northwestern, Vandy, Duke, Stanford and Wake form something outside whatever the CFB League is s going to be.
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I don't think the eventual top organization is going to be over 50, probably less than 40. It's about money and the schools that are generating the highest value don't want to be carrying those that don't. Take out those schools on your list and the drop in media value is very small, far less than the cost of the shares those schools take.

There is also a question of how compatible those schools are with what college football is turning into. Does Stanford want to admit 20-25 guys per year in the transfer portal? Based on their history with grad transfers no. I can see some of the other schools you list having the same concerns.

Might add to your list schools like Cal, (who has made compromises in the past for football and has money at some point isn't going to want to continue down that path.)

Add to the group the service academies. Again for them the transfer portal is a non-starter and they aren't going to get into the NIL game.
 
MtnBuff said:
I don't think the eventual top organization is going to be over 50, probably less than 40. It's about money and the schools that are generating the highest value don't want to be carrying those that don't. Take out those schools on your list and the drop in media value is very small, far less than the cost of the shares those schools take.

There is also a question of how compatible those schools are with what college football is turning into. Does Stanford want to admit 20-25 guys per year in the transfer portal? Based on their history with grad transfers no. I can see some of the other schools you list having the same concerns.

Might add to your list schools like Cal, (who has made compromises in the past for football and has money at some point isn't going to want to continue down that path.)

Add to the group the service academies. Again for them the transfer portal is a non-starter and they aren't going to get into the NIL game.
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Tulane, Rice, SMU would pair well with them.

And to your point, add the service academies and you're at 11 members and/or other private schools like BC and Syracuse that aren't likely to get the invite.
 
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MtnBuff said:
And all schools that have zero hope of competing with their local big-time programs funding a competitive team.
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I think it would need to be cultural value alignment: rich, private universities. They could bring in affiliate members like Johns Hopkins pretty easily for their D1 sports like lacrosse and fencing.
 
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Buffnik said:
I think it would need to be cultural value alignment: rich, private universities. They could bring in affiliate members like Johns Hopkins pretty easily for their D1 sports like lacrosse and fencing.
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Agree with you completely.

With a lot of these schools I could see trying to compete in the big money sports pool as a negative for them in dealing with their alums. "I'm not donating a six or seven figure check so a quarterback who couldn't handle the academics for most of our majors can drive around in a $250,000 car." Similar to the Ivy's the academic prestige, the academic and research elitism is a part of their image.
 
manhattanbuff said:
What incentive do they have to leave?
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They don't unless the model becomes a pro team with outside ownership using the university brand & facilities. They strongly oppose any model but these being university students on merit scholarships. FWIW, Notre Dame is also opposing the pro private equity model, too, so I'm curious about who caves for the money & marketing vs who says that they don't need this and it violates the university's mission.
 
Buffnik said:
They don't unless the model becomes a pro team with outside ownership using the university brand & facilities. They strongly oppose any model but these being university students on merit scholarships. FWIW, Notre Dame is also opposing the pro private equity model, too, so I'm curious about who caves for the money & marketing vs who says that they don't need this and it violates the university's mission.
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I do not envision a world where Northwestern does anything other than stay put. They get a boat load of money to do exactly what they’ve been doing (compete every so often and otherwise be terrible).
 
manhattanbuff said:
I do not envision a world where Northwestern does anything other than stay put. They get a boat load of money to do exactly what they’ve been doing (compete every so often and otherwise be terrible).
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I guess we'll see. They're one of the universities I am sure would entertain it. They almost left for the Ivy once and they certainly don't need the B1G to attract students, research dollars or donations.
 
Buffnik said:
I guess we'll see. They're one of the universities I am sure would entertain it. They almost left for the Ivy once and they certainly don't need the B1G to attract students, research dollars or donations.
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That was before they were getting current B1G money. Every Northwestern alum I know with any connections thinks they stay pat.
 
PhillyBuff said:
I haven't seen anything credible that shows the SEC has interest in Colorado.
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I don't think they do at the moment. I think the questions about what is CU with no Shedeur and Travis are valid.

The ACC also won't start to implode for another 5 years at least IMO.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
Yes 2030 but any moves will be announced a year or 2 before that
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2030 moves are announced in 2027, so this is the most important 3 years in CU history and the possibility is there.
We need to have $50 Million per year ready to buy players, it is too important not to go all in, and as much as Prime is saying the right things about salary caps and other stuff, but we need to buy every possible player that Prime wants or needs and ride the Juju train as far as it will take it.
 
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