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College Playoff hypothetical

Buffnik

Buffnik

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If it plays out this week that:

Clemson wins to join Notre Dame as finishing undefeated

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Ohio State and Oklahoma win to finish 11-1

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UCF wins with its backup QB to go undefeated again

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Georgia beats Alabama in a close game...

Who are your 4 teams for the playoff?
 
However, I’d still say Clemson, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, and Georgia. The idea of a team that just lost its conference playing for the national title against a field of three other teams that include the team it just lost to... just no.
 
At this point I'm actually hoping for a Georgia win against Alabama. That could keep 3 of the Power 5 conferences out of the playoff (Big Ten, Pac 12, and Big 12), and would hopefully force some change.

It's difficult to overcome the east coast bias with the current 4 team system. Shutting out 3 of the big dogs could go a long way in forcing change to 8 teams, with guarantees for the power 5 conference champs.

While I'd hate to root for the above scenario to happen, if it would guarantee quicker change to the current system, then I'll root for that. ****, as a Colorado fan, the season was total **** anyway - might as well finish it off.
 
GoonieBuff said:
At this point I'm actually hoping for a Georgia win against Alabama. That could keep 3 of the Power 5 conferences out of the playoff (Big Ten, Pac 12, and Big 12), and would hopefully force some change.

It's difficult to overcome the east coast bias with the current 4 team system. Shutting out 3 of the big dogs could go a long way in forcing change to 8 teams, with guarantees for the power 5 conference champs.

While I'd hate to root for the above scenario to happen, if it would guarantee quicker change to the current system, then I'll root for that. ****, as a Colorado fan, the season was total **** anyway - might as well finish it off.
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I like the idea of an 8 team playoff but there would be some pretty upset fan bases out there this year when their team gets left out in favor of a 3-loss Pac-12 champ.
 
SINKRATZ said:
I like the idea of an 8 team playoff but there would be some pretty upset fan bases out there this year when their team gets left out in favor of a 3-loss Pac-12 champ.
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I don't think so, actually. Just like it wouldn't bother me if Northwestern or Pittsburgh won their way in over Ohio State and Clemson. Knowing that winning your conference gets you into the playoffs is what is "normal" in all other sports leagues we follow. It's also normal to us that there are wildcard teams that make it into the playoffs. What's abnormal is having a committee selecting 4 teams with an unknown criteria.
 
Buffnik said:
I don't think so, actually. Just like it wouldn't bother me if Northwestern or Pittsburgh won their way in over Ohio State and Clemson. Knowing that winning your conference gets you into the playoffs is what is "normal" in all other sports leagues we follow. It's also normal to us that there are wildcard teams that make it into the playoffs. What's abnormal is having a committee selecting 4 teams with an unknown criteria.
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I understand and agree with the idea that winning your conference should be rewarded but I also firmly believe that no matter what 5-loss Pitt does against Clemson, they are not one of the best 8 programs in the country and have no business in the playoff.
 
SINKRATZ said:
In other words, is the SEC rooting for a close Alabama loss to Georgia in order to get 2 teams into the playoff?
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Let’s say UGA loses to Bama by 4. OU and tOSU win.

Who ya got?

Y’all will hammer me for being a SEC homer, but I can make an argument that a two-loss UGA should stay ahead of flawed tOSU and OU teams under “best 4” mandate of CFP.

Actually, ND should be out, but that’s a whole different story.
 
I think it's safe to say that non-conference schedule doesn't matter. Winning is what matters. All the more reason, imo, to make winning your conference more important -- it eliminates a non-conference loss ending your chances.
 
hawg1 said:
Let’s say UGA loses to Bama by 4. OU and tOSU win.

Who ya got?

Y’all will hammer me for being a SEC homer, but I can make an argument that a two-loss UGA should stay ahead of flawed tOSU and OU teams under “best 4” mandate of CFP.

Actually, ND should be out, but that’s a whole different story.
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If I’m also assuming Ohio St and Oklahoma win their CCG then in that scenario I have Ohio State in with Bama, Clemson, and ND. A 1-loss conference champ deserves to be in over a 2-loss non champ like Georgia.
 
Buffnik said:
If it plays out this week that:

Clemson wins to join Notre Dame as finishing undefeated

+

Ohio State and Oklahoma win to finish 11-1

+

UCF wins with its backup QB to go undefeated again

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Georgia beats Alabama in a close game...

Who are your 4 teams for the playoff?
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1) Notre Dame is undefeated and in

2) An undefeated ACC champion Clemson is in. Given their recent history (52-4 since 2015, 2 losses in the playoff against Alabama) they'd probably also get the benefit of the doubt over anyone but Alabama if there was controversy

3) The SEC champion has been given the benefit of the doubt in every instance since 2006, so a 1-loss UGA is in over OU and tOSU by virtue of winning the SEC

4) A 1-loss non-conference, non-division champion Alabama got the benefit of the doubt in 2011 to play LSU in the BCS title game (and won) and 2017 over a 2-loss B1G champion tOSU and a fellow one-loss team in the B1G West champion Wisconsin, so I think a precedence has been set that if an argument can be made in favor of Alabama, that argument will win.

I think the real (and probably only) question is tOSU v OU if both win their conference, but I hated how the committee devalued conference championships by just doing the SEC a favor by putting Alabama in last season.
 
SINKRATZ said:
If I’m also assuming Ohio St and Oklahoma win their CCG then in that scenario I have Ohio State in with Bama, Clemson, and ND. A 1-loss conference champ deserves to be in over a 2-loss non champ like Georgia.
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I strongly disagreed with it and still do, but I think the precedence was set in 2017 when a 1-loss SEC West runner-up Alabama got the nod over the 2-loss B1G East and B1G conference champion Ohio State and to a lesser extent the 1-loss B1G West champion Wisconsin.
 
Conference championship games are meaningless. Bama is getting in no matter what because they are better than tOSU, and Oklahoma.

This P5 conference champ stuff is stupid, stupid, stupid. If it goes to 8, the top 8 teams get in, even if it means 4 teams from one conference make the playoff. Reward the 8 best teams. Period.
 
Jens1893 said:
I'd force ND to join a conference if they want any part of this, too.
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It would be amazing if the committee came out with ND at #5 and said "like we've been saying, conference championships matter.*"



"*PS: we screwed up last year, sorry about that."
 
What is the lovefest for the "best" x number of teams? No other sport determines who plays for the championship by picking the "best" teams. What would the NFL be like if they scrapped the playoff and just decided well the best teams are NE, SEA, LA, and KC because that is how we feel. Champions are decided by who wins when it matters. Part of the regular season is getting battle tested. Go to 8 team playoff, each P5 conf gets 1 autobid to their champ, award 1 autobid to the highest ranked G5 champ and 2 at large which can be any team. This emphasizes the importance of winning your conference first, neutralizes the effect of disparities in scheduling, and awards teams for having strong ooc opponents (as primer for conference play, getting an at large bid, and seeding). Who gives a **** if the ACC or Pac-12 or B1G champ has 2 or 3 losses. Maybe they lost a road ooc game and 2 tight conference games. If Alabama is truly deserving they will win their conference title game or get the at large bid and make it through. I think people are really afraid that a UCF could come in and knock off a couple big names or that a 2 loss B1G champ might be better than a SEC champ game winner. The only reason to have the committee and limit to 4 teams is to preserve the power structure and status quo. Real champions would rather determine it on the field.
 
There are only two spots up for grabs because Bama and ND have two of them locked down right now.

Clemson winning gets them spot #3

UGA win gets them in, but a loss and they’re out, regardless of whether it’s close (unless both OU and tOSU lose).

Ohio State is #4 if they win convincingly, which they will imo
 
TSchekler said:
There are only two spots up for grabs because Bama and ND have two of them locked down right now.

Clemson winning gets them spot #3

UGA win gets them in, but a loss and they’re out, regardless of whether it’s close (unless both OU and tOSU lose).

Ohio State is #4 if they win convincingly, which they will imo
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Yea, at first I thought OU will be the 4th team assuming that Bama beats Georgia but the more I think about it the more I think that OSU will get alot of mileage out of rolling Michigan like they did and end up being the 4th team in should both OSU and OU win out.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
Yea, at first I thought OU will be the 4th team assuming that Bama beats Georgia but the more I think about it the more I think that OSU will get alot of mileage out of rolling Michigan like they did and end up being the 4th team in should both OSU and OU win out.
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They have similar resumes but the drubbing of a top 5 Michigan team with the #1 defense in the country is going to go further than the close victory to #13 WVU.
 
TSchekler said:
They have similar resumes but the drubbing of a top 5 Michigan team with the #1 defense in the country is going to go further than the close victory to #13 WVU.
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OU has 1 very close loss to UT which they can avenge in the Big 12 Championship.

tOSU got rolled by Purdue and I don't see how any margin over Northwestern does anything to tip these scales.
 
Buffnik said:
OU has 1 very close loss to UT which they can avenge in the Big 12 Championship.

tOSU got rolled by Purdue and I don't see how any margin over Northwestern does anything to tip these scales.
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Recency bias with the blowout over top 5 Michigan tips the scales imo
 
CarolinaBuff said:
Yea, at first I thought OU will be the 4th team assuming that Bama beats Georgia but the more I think about it the more I think that OSU will get alot of mileage out of rolling Michigan like they did and end up being the 4th team in should both OSU and OU win out.
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Like when Ohio State jumped Baylor/TCU by obliterating Wisconsin to win the B1G title in 2014.
 
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