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Colorado Men's Basketball at Arizona Official Game thread

J-R-K said:
His hand is touching the ball. Notice how it's moving forward in a flicking motion, what do you think is propelling the ball forward...
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Ok work with me here. Due to the perspective you cannot accurately see the x and direction of the ball or his hand, only the z and y direction. The side view shows the x and z direction accurately. You combine both those views and you have the total picture. The blur of his hand in the still and the video clip is what causes the ambiguity. But it looks to most like it is out of his hand.
 
azbuff said:
J-R-K. Trolling like a little bitch as always. Shot was off. I WENT TO UOFA AND ALL OF MY WILDCAT FRIENDS THINK THAT **** WAS OFF. So shut the **** up already and go put on your cornhusker uni.
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Well said, and thanks for calling a troll a troll. Sometimes people forget.
 
Find me a photo that shows no time and Chen still touching the ball. Then we can talk. There's a reason they don't end the game with 0.1 seconds still on the clock.
 
GoonieBuff said:
Well said, and thanks for calling a troll a troll. Sometimes people forget.
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It's a travesty that JRK's rep bar isn't in red. Between this one and the C-Unit thread, he should be getting pounded today.
 
Buffnik said:
Find me a photo that shows no time and Chen still touching the ball. Then we can talk. There's a reason they don't end the game with 0.1 seconds still on the clock.
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No such photo exists. Nor does one definitively showing the ball out of his hands before the clock hits zero. Again, it's inconclusive. I'm not saying he didn't get off, he might have, i'm just sick of people acting like this was some royal screw job when in reality it was just a 50/50 call that happened to go against us. We also were the one's who put the game in the ref's hands in the first place by collapsing the in the final minutes.
 
J-R-K said:
From past experience on here, when a dispute devolves into someone criticizing my spelling/grammar, it's just a pretty good sign that I've won the argument.

That all you got, or will there be any actual evidence proving the shot was good?
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Based on what? What "logic," a term I'm not sure you know the meaning of, or evidence do you have showing the shot wasn't good? I would like to see the evidence or "logic." Because - using purely "logic" - try to hold on here - if the ball is never shown in Chen's hands at 0.00/red light, and the ball goes in the hoop, logically, the basket is good. The fact you continue to dispute this, along with the fact UofA fans acknowledge it, leads me to conclude, logically, you're just a sad little troll. I hope I made 100 grammar mistake in the preceding paragrphs to emphasize my point, but the fact is I didn't even check.
 
azbuff said:
if the ball is never shown in Chen's hands at 0.00/red light
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As I've already written, yes, based on the photos and videos the ball was out of his hand at or very soon after the clock hit zero. But it needs to be out before it hits zero and there is no evidence definitively showing that it was.
 
J-R-K said:
As I've already written, yes, based on the photos and videos the ball was out of his hand at or very soon after the clock hit zero. But it needs to be out before it hits zero and there is no evidence definitively showing that it was.
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In other words, we know that the ball was off his hand at 0.0 but there's a chance it was still touching a fingertip at 0.1 seconds. That's close, but it's good unless refs are looking for a reason to call it no good.
 
Buffnik said:
In other words, we know that the ball was off his hand at 0.0 but there's a chance it was still touching a fingertip at 0.1 seconds. That's close, but it's good unless refs are looking for a reason to call it no good.
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If you look at the .gif it was clearly still on his fingers at .1 and as I wrote earlier while based on the still frames we have it was off at zero, we don't know that those were taken at the precise moment the clock hit zero (frankly a human likely cant hit the pause button at the exact moment it hit zero) and considering that the ball was only off his fingers by about 1 cm even if those still frames were a couple hundredths of a second too late that could be the difference between it being on his finger or not.
 
Its this ****ing simple. If we switched places, and it was Arizona that hit that shot on their court, it would have counted. You can't tell me different. That is what is wrong with the situation. The refs got bullied by the home crowd, pure and simple.
 
KingPants said:
Its this ****ing simple. If we switched places, and it was Arizona that hit that shot on their court, it would have counted. You can't tell me different. That is what is wrong with the situation. The refs got bullied by the home crowd, pure and simple.
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Yep.

I'm very comfortable saying that if the jerseys had been reversed, I'd feel 100% like Arizona made the shot and we lost a tough one.
 
JRK has me convinced....


..that the only friends he has are the ones he paid for.
 
J-R-K said:
If you look at the .gif it was clearly still on his fingers at .1 and as I wrote earlier while based on the still frames we have it was off at zero, we don't know that those were taken at the precise moment the clock hit zero (frankly a human likely cant hit the pause button at the exact moment it hit zero) and considering that the ball was only off his fingers by about 1 cm even if those still frames were a couple hundredths of a second too late that could be the difference between it being on his finger or not.
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Forget the .gif and look at the still shot shldr posted. You can see the blue of the sideline between Chen's fingers and the ball and the clock's at .01. It was a basket.
 
J-R-K said:
No such photo exists. Nor does one definitively showing the ball out of his hands before the clock hits zero. Again, it's inconclusive. I'm not saying he didn't get off, he might have, i'm just sick of people acting like this was some royal screw job when in reality it was just a 50/50 call that happened to go against us. We also were the one's who put the game in the ref's hands in the first place by collapsing the in the final minutes.
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I haven't read further into the thread, so I don't know if this has been answered, but I think I can help you.

As I ask the following question, please remember that tenths of a second are the standard of measure, and the period of time between those tenths are irrelevant.

Here's the question:

What serves as evidence that he got the ball off for our purposes?

1. Is it the ball off of his finger tips with 0.01 to prove that he got the shot off?

2. Or is it that the ball in his hands with 0.00 on the clock and an illuminated backboard to prove he didn't?

Those are two very different standards, and I argue that the answer is number two.

This is why:

The player has all of regulation to shoot the ball. All of it. So the ball touching his fingers at 0.01 means nothing, except that he still has time to shoot.

BUT, the ball touching his fingers at 0.00 is damning and means he didn't get it off. Therefore that is the standard of proof.

So I'll repeat, the ball touching his fingers at 0.01 means nothing. Until there is a picture (there isn't) of the ball in his hands at 0.00, the shot was good.

Make sense?

Sorry if this explanation was already posted.
 
Orr and Buffnik... well done.... simple and elegant.... if they don't get it, let's be polite and not say anything more(as we don't want to embarrass them as they were in the "slow" class...)
 
J-R-K said:
From past experience on here, when a dispute devolves into someone criticizing my spelling/grammar, it's just a pretty good sign that I've won the argument.

That all you got, or will there be any actual evidence proving the shot was good?
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You have past experience here in having won an argument? :lol: :rofl: :rofl2:

There are images out there (and posted here) that appear to show the ball being off. You can try to explain them away or dismiss them. But they exist.

If you have any that appear to show the ball still on Chen's hand as clearly as the others show it being off, feel free to share them. You'll be the first to produce them, however...
 
KingPants said:
Its this ****ing simple. If we switched places, and it was Arizona that hit that shot on their court, it would have counted. You can't tell me different. That is what is wrong with the situation. The refs got bullied by the home crowd, pure and simple.
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Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure if its Arizona that hits that shot on our court, it counts. Pac-12 baby, its FANtastic!
 
J-R-K said:
Oh damn really? Why didn't you say so earlier? You and your impeccable logic and intricate examination into the shot could have single-handily ended the national debate around whether or not it was good.
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Why the **** do you insist on being a jerk?
 
tante said:
Anyone want to talk about the 5th down?
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No kidding. It was 2 months ago and the Buffs look like they'll be dancing regardless. Let JRK be right(even if UA fans think the shot was good) and move on.
 
Ancient history. Water under the bridge. I'm actually kind of glad for what happened in hindsight. Zona is supposedly the premier program in the Pac 12 at the moment and Tad owns them. I think this is making for a great rivalry.
 
buffedup said:
Ancient history. Water under the bridge. I'm actually kind of glad for what happened in hindsight. Zona is supposedly the premier program in the Pac 12 at the moment and Tad owns them. I think this is making for a great rivalry.
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Except that it's at least the difference between a bye in the first round. It could even end up the difference between CU having the tiebreakers to win the regular season title, depending on today's results. It's also the difference between at least 1 line in the Dance seeding for us.
 
Buffnik said:
Except that it's at least the difference between a bye in the first round. It could even end up the difference between CU having the tiebreakers to win the regular season title, depending on today's results. It's also the difference between at least 1 line in the Dance seeding for us.
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Yep, and bitching about it is literally a waste of breath and impotent. Let's not be Mizzou.
 
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