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CU fans should embrace the stability of Mike MacIntyre
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DavisBuff
Club Member
I agree with all your points here.
Embree is not the bar we should be shooting for.
MacIntyres initial staff was not good enough, especially at recruiting, to get us where we want to be.
Right now though, I think keeping MacIntyre is the best solution. He needs to continue upgrading the staff like last year. He is a solid guy and a good coach. With Leavitt and an upgrade at OC/ qb coach and special teams/ recruiting star we will get back to the top.
And idots idot.
Yeah, fire him tonight!!!
Pretty tough. There are only 76 teams that make a bowl in any given year. That's 228 bowl slots in any three year span.
You're right. Those expectations are too high.
And no. You can fire him after the season.
lawdogg
Club Member
Arguably the most optimistic you've been in a long time
Why wait? Get him out now so we can begin the REAL rebuilding immediately!!!
OK, I take the "idot" comment back. You are obviously good at math.
Knutson is a huge tool. He played baseball for the sheep and is a dyed in the wool sheep lover.
He also has a giant hard on for the fuskers. I think he has family members who went there. A bigger factor may be that when he was most connected to CSU the Buffs were playing well and the sheep were what the sheep normally are including a few times when CU just killed CSU. His response was to turn to the fuskers to get his revenge on CU.
There is an argument for doing just that. If the AD thinks a vote of confidence helps recruiting, or lack of one hurts it, then he has to make a value judgement and be willing to pay a buy out. Right?
TDbuff
Club Member
Yep. He's done some good things, but he's made mistakes, particularly with his staff. That's why I don't think year 4 is going to look much different from year 3. The bump in recruiting this year, and more staff changes won't pay dividends till year 5 at the earliest. The argument is, why give a coach that's made some obvious mistakes, a chance to make more?
aghcsm
Well-Known Member
I think 5 years is appropriate, in general. You've got your full group of recruits as seniors, and had several years to install and optimize your "system." I could see if there are 4 wins or less next year, it would be difficult to retain MM for a 5th year, and maybe that lack of improvement would justify the change. (Sorry this is assuming this year will end with 4 wins.)
After the 5th year though, you've pretty much got what you've got, other than the incremental ongoing recruiting improvement that should come with improving annual win totals.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
Agree that he is a solid guy, but to play devils advocate for a minute - what makes people believe he is a good coach? Not saying he isn't necessarily, but is it possible he's really not a good coach at all?
Not trying to dump on Mac here, but I don't get where people are drawing that conclusion that he's a good coach. Maybe he is, but you sure can't tell by his career head coaching record. It seems just as likely that he's just a bad coach that struck lightening in a bottle one year with a plus qb.
Do I think Mac is the man to lead us back to national prominence? Probably not. I've questioned many of his decisions and I certainly think there are people out there who could have done more with this roster. There is no denying that we have made tremendous progress, though. Obviously Mac inherited a complete train wreck. Just look at these numbers. We were the worst P5 team in the country, FFS! We were getting pasted like a Division II team under Embree. Mac has made us almost respectable. Granted, that is a very low bar, but it is progress. Unless you're going to go out and get a guy who's taken teams to top tier bowls before, I don't see how firing Mac gets us anywhere next year. I don't see us breaking the bank for that type of coach so we might as well stay the course and give him one more chance to prove us naysayers wrong. He needs to make some more staff changes and get us to a bowl game. (NEINAS MUST GO! OC change would be welcome, too.) If we were to make a change, that's a crapshoot if we go for another coach who is not 100% proven as a P5 HC (non-P5 head coach or a P5 coordinator). It would also mean new systems for the kids to learn so I think the odds of bowling next year are better with Mac than without. Another year of losing in 2016 and certainly a change would have to be made.
(Yeah, the 2015 margin may very well end up being a little worse than 2014. Still nothing approaching the 2012 or 2013 levels, though.)
(Yeah, the 2015 margin may very well end up being a little worse than 2014. Still nothing approaching the 2012 or 2013 levels, though.)
Cabral didn't coach that last Utah game. That was still Embree. I remember it distinctly.
I'll say it again because it seems to need repeating: the rest of the conference hasn't been standing still while we rebuild. If this were the B12, we would be able to catch a few teams like KU and ISU and probably go bowling. It's not the B12, though. It's the PAC 12, and we are the KU of this league. The gap was so big it took three years just to make a dent in it. Make no mistake, there's still a gap. It's smaller now, though.
I'm as frustrated as anybody, I just feel that making a change now would be counterproductive.
I'll say it again because it seems to need repeating: the rest of the conference hasn't been standing still while we rebuild. If this were the B12, we would be able to catch a few teams like KU and ISU and probably go bowling. It's not the B12, though. It's the PAC 12, and we are the KU of this league. The gap was so big it took three years just to make a dent in it. Make no mistake, there's still a gap. It's smaller now, though.
I'm as frustrated as anybody, I just feel that making a change now would be counterproductive.
Yeah, you're right. Cabral was the interim after Hawk got fired (of course!). Brain not working today. No sleep. lol
I don't think anyone here would disagree with your last two sentences.
So what are we building to for 2016/2017? Just trying to get an idea of what fans think the goals of this program are going forward.
White_Rabbit
Well-Known Member
wtf
No you're not. You're just being snarky.
Our only goal since Embree left should be to not suck. We achieved that goal. We don't suck. It took us three years to reach "not suck" level. I honestly don't know how long it will take to get to "win more than we lose" level. A lot will depend on how much our conference foes improve. They're still ahead of us.