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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

Buffnik said:
And you guys are talking about programs in markets where they are trampling the rights of women, ethnic minorities, LGBTQ+, the poor, the mentally ill, and anyone who believes in a secular society. I guess many of you want to associate with that because those folks seem to care more than average about football.
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This is a ridiculous little rant. The conversation is obviously talking about the strength of those programs with regards to fan following and media rights, someone made a strong point about how BYU/ UH/ Cincy/ UCF are much stronger than Fresno State, UNLV, etc., and then you completely pivot to something way the **** off topic. It doesn't matter a single damn what anyone on this board thinks or wants, we're having a logical conversation about what programs can bring in media rights value, and that was obviously the point of the post you responded to. Cincy and BYU are worth more than Fresno State and UNLV. SDSU, who knows, might have some sort of argument, but it's a stretch. But there is no combo of G5 schools left that can come anywhere near being the value of the 3/4 (depending on how you classify BYU) that the Big XII brought in. Thus your earlier arguments of "well, the Big XII got G5, so why can't we?" don't hold water. Yes, the ACC, PAC, and Big XII have all added G5 programs over the past decade or so. But they've picked up just about all of them that are worth a damn in current media rights. That's the point.
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
This is a ridiculous little rant. The conversation is obviously talking about the strength of those programs with regards to fan following and media rights, someone made a strong point about how BYU/ UH/ Cincy/ UCF are much stronger than Fresno State, UNLV, etc., and then you completely pivot to something way the **** off topic. It doesn't matter a single damn what anyone on this board thinks or wants, we're having a logical conversation about what programs can bring in media rights value, and that was obviously the point of the post you responded to. Cincy and BYU are worth more than Fresno State and UNLV. SDSU, who knows, might have some sort of argument, but it's a stretch. But there is no combo of G5 schools left that can come anywhere near being the value of the 3/4 (depending on how you classify BYU) that the Big XII brought in. Thus your earlier arguments of "well, the Big XII got G5, so why can't we?" don't hold water. Yes, the ACC, PAC, and Big XII have all added G5 programs over the past decade or so. But they've picked up just about all of them that are worth a damn in current media rights. That's the point.
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This is AB, ridiculous rants are what we do.

Why don't we get in whatever conference Oberlin is in, that would solve the gripping ethical dilemma.
 
241Volcanos said:
How do more schools with worse brands make more money?
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Worse brands is your opinion, we have our warts to. There's plenty of info out there speculating the B12 is going to get paid more than us in our new deals. If you wish to believe that the PAC is going to get paid more ... well, you have just have fun with your unicorn in the back yard too. The B12 is going to get paid more than us, something you might want to resign yourself to.
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
This is a ridiculous little rant. The conversation is obviously talking about the strength of those programs with regards to fan following and media rights, someone made a strong point about how BYU/ UH/ Cincy/ UCF are much stronger than Fresno State, UNLV, etc., and then you completely pivot to something way the **** off topic. It doesn't matter a single damn what anyone on this board thinks or wants, we're having a logical conversation about what programs can bring in media rights value, and that was obviously the point of the post you responded to. Cincy and BYU are worth more than Fresno State and UNLV. SDSU, who knows, might have some sort of argument, but it's a stretch. But there is no combo of G5 schools left that can come anywhere near being the value of the 3/4 (depending on how you classify BYU) that the Big XII brought in. Thus your earlier arguments of "well, the Big XII got G5, so why can't we?" don't hold water. Yes, the ACC, PAC, and Big XII have all added G5 programs over the past decade or so. But they've picked up just about all of them that are worth a damn in current media rights. That's the point.
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Western G5s, led by Boise State & SDSU which drove MWC media deals and national broadcast selection, were mostly left out due to geographic isolation and the Pac-12 being very conservative in its expansion approach. Other programs in the G5 have not had their sustained winning.

On the culture war, I guarantee that at the university level CU will do everything it can to not trade association with Cal & Stanford for BYU & Baylor. It matters. And I don't believe that an association of flagships and pro markets represented by CU, Utah, UA, ASU, Cal, Stanford, Oregon and Washington should panic. Stick together, restructure to fix Larry's mistakes on the conference network/offices/distribution/revenue sharing, and consider grabbing western markets and brands if it makes sense to do so.
 
Buffnik said:
And you guys are talking about programs in markets where they are trampling the rights of women, ethnic minorities, LGBTQ+, the poor, the mentally ill, and anyone who believes in a secular society. I guess many of you want to associate with that because those folks seem to care more than average about football.

My strong preference is that the Big 12 can fvck right off. Stay with a group that doesn't make me want to puke and delivers at least as much likelihood of a path to the B1G (which is the only move that would matter).
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Thinking about it, can’t you pretty much draw a line around Red states and have that area accurately represent the most “passionate”/successful CFB locations? Maybe there are a few exceptions, but the Venn diagrams seriously overlap.
 
LesGrossman said:
Oregon has lots of militia groups and Arizona tends to go red on some issues too so it’d be best to avoid them as well
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How can anyone forget about Utah?? I also don't remember anyone here boycotting Oregon for being funded by Phil Knight and Nike's support of sweatshops. I, for one, think it's high time CFB fans take a stand against the true injustices that are loosely associated with all Universities. In fact, I am surprised that anyone here can remain a CU fan after what the University did by associating itself with John Eastman.
 
Buffnik said:
Western G5s, led by Boise State & SDSU which drove MWC media deals and national broadcast selection, were mostly left out due to geographic isolation and the Pac-12 being very conservative in its expansion approach. Other programs in the G5 have not had their sustained winning.

On the culture war, I guarantee that at the university level CU will do everything it can to not trade association with Cal & Stanford for BYU & Baylor. It matters.
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And I guarantee you the PAC is holding their nose at the very mention of associating with a former community college turned university that has recently made national headlines about "bowing to a conservative crusade." So, throw Boise out too eh? UNLV, Fresno, and SDSU up? They don't bring enough money. That's the point.
 
Buffnik said:
Not sure how that matters. They've been in the Top 25 enough for long enough that their football brand can draw an audience, their home market gives a needed bump of in-market cable homes, and the rest of the teams in the conference rely on SoCal for recruiting so a presence is needed.

It's a no-brainer for expansion if that's the path.

My big question is who to take for #12?

I think that outside of raiding the Big 12, if we look at the MWC it would be Fresno State, Boise State and UNLV in some order.

P.S. The move might be to take all 4 on a reduced share deal.
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If Boise St ever gets to move to a better conference they must have to sign in the contract that the smurf turf goes away.
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
And I guarantee you the PAC is looking down their nose at the very mention of associating with a former community college turned university that has recently made national headlines about "bowing to a conservative crusade." So, throw Boise out too eh? UNLV, Fresno, and SDSU up? They don't bring enough money. That's the point.
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Boise State would be a tough sell. Not just to the academic stakeholders but also to WSU and Utah due to what they consider their market reach.

UNLV would be an easier sell (R1, market), but their football program brings negative prestige.

I could see staying at 10 members. It's hard to imagine that 10% of that media value is worth less than a much smaller % of an expanded Big 12 deal. Especially when you consider the other side of the table in a Big 12 negotiation -- they don't want to expand unless the members coming in would be worth more than they get, earning more for each of the current members.
 
I sort of have given up caring. CU will have a football program and play meaningless games on an irrelevant network. We can revel in the underrated talent we bring in who exceed expectations and dump CU and transfer to programs that play big time football.
 
241Volcanos said:
The financial figures should lead to an obvious choice. I think (but don’t know) that Pac #s beat Big12 #s, but would happily go B12 if UO/UW join.
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That is a logical thought process. The numbers thrown out here indicate the opposite but I agree, the decision should come down to money.
 
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