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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

InTheBuff said:
www.outkick.com

Clay Travis: ACC Schools All Want Out of the ACC

While most college football media and fans have been chasing Big 12 and Pac-12 expansion and realignment rumors, the truth of the matter is this: the future battles in college foot
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Interesting info in that piece that was new to me: SEC has an escalator in its ESPN deal that the deal increases if new members get added so everyone makes the same full amount during the deal term.

So if ESPN was paying $1.6B for the 16 schools and the SEC added 4 teams, the deal would escalate to $2.0B.

B1G doesn't have that, making it much harder financially to expand. I bet if they did, all of the Pac-12 AAUs would have gotten an invite (CU, UA, UU, Cal, Furd, UO, UW) along with USC & UCLA. That would have taken it to 23 with a play for Notre Dame next.
 
White_Rabbit said:
I'm not sure who those guys are other than some B12/Baylor centric podcast, but they think realllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly highly of themselves based on a couple videos I've watched

They found the Mandel tweet that Oregon/UW were bigger brands than anything B12 was the equivalent of kicking their grandma

And youtube wants me to watch some new video of their's that apparently claims B12 might get $60M in a new tv deal now. I just don't see how that's possible at all.
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Big 12 is adding Ohio & Florida and those two are projected to have nearly 40 million people combined in 2040. WVU is one of the to go schools for Washington DC area high schoolers after the Virginia schools and Maryland and they are a stone's throw from Pittsburgh. I'd say that's about an extra 10 million people that WVU brings in from western PA, WV, MD, DC, and VA so the three eastern Big 12 schools could lay claim to 45-50 million people right now and you add the Four Corner schools, you are pushing 70 million and 60 million of them would be new schools. And lastly with BYU, you got all of those Mormons out there. I don't think they get 10 million more people but if that was about right, you are talking about 1/4 of the USA's population for the Big 12.

That $60M per school that the Big 12 could offer isn't so far fetched after all. The PAC will not be able to offer that deal at this point.

I think UO/UW's brands are overrated too.
 
PAC MAN said:
Big 12 is adding Ohio & Florida and those two are projected to have nearly 40 million people combined in 2040. WVU is one of the to go schools for Washington DC area high schoolers after the Virginia schools and Maryland and they are a stone's throw from Pittsburgh. I'd say that's about an extra 10 million people that WVU brings in from western PA, WV, MD, DC, and VA so the three eastern Big 12 schools could lay claim to 45-50 million people right now and you add the Four Corner schools, you are pushing 70 million and 60 million of them would be new schools. And lastly with BYU, you got all of those Mormons out there. I don't think they get 10 million more people but if that was about right, you are talking about 1/4 of the USA's population.

That $60M per school that the Big 12 could offer isn't so far fetched after all. The PAC will not be able to offer that deal at this point.

I think UO/UW's brands are overrated too.
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You know who has 40 million people already?

WTF are you even talking about with the other hilarious **** :ROFLMAO:

Make a case for anyone in the B12 being a bigger brand than UW/UO
 
Buffs35 said:
Or CU or ASU. We are groveling to Texas tech, let that sink in.
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Buffnik said:
That's the thing I can't wrap my head around. For years, we've talked about Pac-12 expansion scenarios and very few people liked any Big 12 option that didn't include OU of UT.
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Groveling? They'll take pretty much any current Pac 10 school interested in joining them......outside of WSU/OSU/Stanford/Cal.

Stop. Seriously.
 
You know what’s really fun? Overlaying climate change models on all of these realignment predictions. I sure as **** wouldn’t bet on the long-term desirability of the AZ schools. I hope I’m wrong so I can actually play golf in the summertime without AZ residents moving here in the summer months and claiming all the tee times. My game needs as much work as CU football.
 
Buffnik said:
We were in the same conference with Baylor. Last time they came to Boulder, they had RG3, we had a winning record, and we drew under 50k fans. Let's not pretend there's any sort of draw there beyond a Stanford or Beaver game.
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How many times have we seen empty seats at Stanford's stadium and even Reser Stadium in Corvallis?

Baylor & BYU football fans win in this case and their administrations care about their football. Can't say the same about those two PAC schools. Like with your posts today, you are really reaching here. Are you just bummed that CU is about to head back home to the Big 12?

The PAC move overall cannot be termed as a success at this point.
 
InTheBuff said:
www.outkick.com

Clay Travis: ACC Schools All Want Out of the ACC

While most college football media and fans have been chasing Big 12 and Pac-12 expansion and realignment rumors, the truth of the matter is this: the future battles in college foot
www.outkick.com www.outkick.com
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Lol a complete overvalue of the ACC. Not surprised. There are 5 surefire programs that would get plucked, and another 1-2 that are probably 50/50? They need 8 to dissolve. Only way it happens is if the B1G and/or SEC determine the 5 programs add so much more incremental value to their respective conferences that they are willing to take on a Syracuse or BC or Pitt in order to dissolve
 
PAC MAN said:
How many times have we seen empty seats at Stanford's stadium and even Reser Stadium in Corvallis?

Baylor & BYU football fans win in this case and their administrations care about their football. Can't say the same about those two PAC schools. Like with your posts today, you are really reaching here. Are you just bummed that CU is about to head back home to the Big 12?

The PAC move overall cannot be termed as a success at this point.
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And I look forward to kicking both their asses. That said, the Big 12 isn't the same league it was 10 years ago, but its still an opportunity for CU-if it wants to commit to football success. If they're more interested in being attached with what they believe to be their peers (let's not kid ourselves-CU's not on the same level academically as either Bay Area school), I'll for one find other things to do with my fall Saturdays.
 
Buffnik said:
That's the thing I can't wrap my head around. For years, we've talked about Pac-12 expansion scenarios and very few people liked any Big 12 option that didn't include OU of UT.
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I don’t really want to be in either conference right now, but I want CU football to survive and it seems the best way to survive is to be in a conference that is growing. Big Tom Callahan said it best…
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Buffs35 said:
Or CU or ASU. We are groveling to Texas tech, let that sink in.
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Well idk if I'd go that far. Okie St has definitely been more successful than we have in football lately and than ASU has ever been. ASU seems to have a built in ceiling of like 9 wins for some reason. They feel like they should be a lot better than they have been

I think the P10 seems to go about 5/6 strong. UO and UW seem significantly better than the top of the B12 to me, but maybe Jalapeno will surprise me with a non-terrible argument on that.

ASU/CU/Utah/UO/UW are all pretty strong, Zona kinda sucks, but they have bball I guess idk how to factor that in. Wazzu and OSU seriously suck, like we should boot them out kind of suck. Cal/Furd should do better than they do, but I think Furd probably has more fans than their ****ty attendance would indicate. But the bottom half of the remaining conference seriously kinda sucks.

B12 doesn't have a great top, but they have a bunch that are all right there. BYU seems like a sneaky really good addition to me, I had no idea they draw like 60k+. Iowa St somehow draws 60k+ too. Tech has a decent following apparently, they might be #3 in Texas. Their football is really strong if you only look at the last couple years. Will it continue when Fickell dips? Campbell leaves? Aranda leaves? Are the G5 schools as good when placed into a P5 conference? Who knows I guess, I'd venture to guess some would fall off, idk how TV would factor that in.

To me the best answer here is still to merge the two conferences, but trim the fat. Boot out the ****ty ones so it's not so diluted. I'm not sure if that's a feasible strategy, though.
 
chitownbuff said:
You know what’s really fun? Overlaying climate change models on all of these realignment predictions. I sure as **** wouldn’t bet on the long-term desirability of the AZ schools. I hope I’m wrong so I can actually play golf in the summertime without AZ residents moving here in the summer months and claiming all the tee times. My game needs as much work as CU football.
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Well if we really wanna have fun, let's throw in the Cascadia subduction zone. UW and maybe UO, along with much of the Pacific Northwest, is gonna uh, no longer be contributing much of a market.
 
PAC MAN said:
How many times have we seen empty seats at Stanford's stadium and even Reser Stadium in Corvallis?

Baylor & BYU football fans win in this case and their administrations care about their football. Can't say the same about those two PAC schools. Like with your posts today, you are really reaching here. Are you just bummed that CU is about to head back home to the Big 12?

The PAC move overall cannot be termed as a success at this point.
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Things have been bad with CU football for 20 years. Conference had nothing to do with it. Leaving a neutered Pac-12 for a neutered Big 12 solves nothing. At best, it's a lateral move that disconnects CU from the donors who built the Champions Center and might give us some bit of juice with NIL. For what? A significant step back on academic prestige of peers, geographic sprawl, and a bad cultural fit.

Show me revenue differences that keep CU relevant enough to have a shot at the next round of realignment vs not and there's a reason to listen. Otherwise it makes no sense on any level.
 
As an outsider let me ask you this. Is the B12 a more or less attractive conference to join with Texas leaving? I’ve been following since long before they were added and, while there are lots of valid reasons to join or not join I’m thinking Texas leaving (after destroying) is a good thing.
 
Duff Man said:
Unfortunately, I view current CU leadership as Tommy Callahan falling through the coffee table.
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CU admin trying to sell itself to the B1G

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Buffnik said:
Things have been bad with CU football for 20 years. Conference had nothing to do with it. Leaving a neutered Pac-12 for a neutered Big 12 solves nothing. At best, it's a lateral move that disconnects CU from the donors who built the Champions Center and might give us some bit of juice with NIL. For what? A significant step back on academic prestige of peers, geographic sprawl, and a bad cultural fit.

Show me revenue differences that keep CU relevant enough to have a shot at the next round of realignment vs not and there's a reason to listen. Otherwise it makes no sense on any level.
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Honestly Nik I've never watched a CU vs Cal game and had the thought "Wow, it's such an honor to be on the same field with the school that developed human gene splicing....." Just sayin'.
 
Buffnik said:
Things have been bad with CU football for 20 years. Conference had nothing to do with it. Leaving a neutered Pac-12 for a neutered Big 12 solves nothing. At best, it's a lateral move that disconnects CU from the donors who built the Champions Center and might give us some bit of juice with NIL. For what? A significant step back on academic prestige of peers, geographic sprawl, and a bad cultural fit.

Show me revenue differences that keep CU relevant enough to have a shot at the next round of realignment vs not and there's a reason to listen. Otherwise it makes no sense on any level.
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So let's stay with the same group of university presidents who spent the better part of a decade enabling Larry Scott's incompetence.

I honestly don't give a **** about cultural fit or academic prestige of peers. You know where that kind of thinking gets us? The ****ing MWC before all this is over.
 
SINKRATZ said:
I don’t really want to be in either conference right now, but I want CU football to survive and it seems the best way to survive is to be in a conference that is growing. Big Tom Callahan said it best…
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Main difference I see is they got poached first and expanded. No reason the Pac can't do the same. For the 10 left, 2 (OSU & WSU) are desperate enough to accept just about anything, 1 (ASU) is praying the SEC comes calling, and 7 (CU, UA, UU, UO, UW, Cal, Furd) are hoping there's a B1G scenario in the future. I think the 8 with dreams can chart a better course together than by tying themselves to a conference that now looks stable simply because neither of the top dog conferences have any potential interest in its members. Big 12 would be accepting status as a leftover. If you do that, what's the point of traveling across the country for conference games?
 
Buffnik said:
Main difference I see is they got poached first and expanded. No reason the Pac can't do the same. For the 10 left, 2 (OSU & WSU) are desperate enough to accept just about anything, 1 (ASU) is praying the SEC comes calling, and 7 (CU, UA, UU, UO, UW, Cal, Furd) are hoping there's a B1G scenario in the future. I think the 8 with dreams can chart a better course together than by tying themselves to a conference that now looks stable simply because neither of the top dog conferences have any potential interest in its members. Big 12 would be accepting status as a leftover. If you do that, what's the point of traveling across the country for conference games?
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If the Big 12 is accepting status as a leftover, what exactly in your mind is tying yourself to UO/UW right now? Asking for an MWC invite in 10-15 years IMO.
 
Buffnik said:
Main difference I see is they got poached first and expanded. No reason the Pac can't do the same. For the 10 left, 2 (OSU & WSU) are desperate enough to accept just about anything, 1 (ASU) is praying the SEC comes calling, and 7 (CU, UA, UU, UO, UW, Cal, Furd) are hoping there's a B1G scenario in the future. I think the 8 with dreams can chart a better course together than by tying themselves to a conference that now looks stable simply because neither of the top dog conferences have any potential interest in its members. Big 12 would be accepting status as a leftover. If you do that, what's the point of traveling across the country for conference games?
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Who do we add, though?

One major disadvantage for the P12 is definitely the geography. We needed to go get UT and OU or see the future and add Nebraska before the B1G did, or blow up the geography of the conferences long ago
 
JayHawk said:
As an outsider let me ask you this. Is the B12 a more or less attractive conference to join with Texas leaving? I’ve been following since long before they were added and, while there are lots of valid reasons to join or not join I’m thinking Texas leaving (after destroying) is a good thing.
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Not on revenue or prestige. Hard to be legit if you have no blue blood football programs. Same issue the Pac faces without USC. But things are definitely more pleasant without having to deal with a conference member that rightfully/infuriating acts like you're all riding its coattails.

Maybe more pleasant without UT, but also relegated to 2nd tier.

Honestly, I don't like any of the options right now. Kind of hoping the ACC gets poached and things get crazy. There's a chance good things could shake out of that.
 
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