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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

30Something said:
Kinda. But it's much more like blaming a CEO for tanking a company. Are the Board of Directors at fault? Sure they are. But the CEO is generally given broad authority to set and execute on strategy, and when the strategy is found to have failed the CEO is generally, and rightfully, the one that takes the fall.

I'm not trying to excuse the Presidents and Chancellors. They certainly watched the mess unfold in front of their eyes. But they are academics, not media relation experts. They trusted their CEO do his job. However, Larry Scott, and his failed strategy and mismanagement, should take the brunt of the blame.
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I think the key distinction is that the Pac 12 isn’t one company being run by one person. Each University is it’s own multi billion dollar institution making decisions in their own best interests and they had a select group of top executives from each one known as “the CEO group” that had specific oversight on all things Pac 12 athletics.

The fact there were zero inquiries or audits into the financials of the Pac 12 is insane. The fact the presidents allowed Larry to carry on with a ~$1m/mo HQ in the most expensive city in the country is insane. The fact they didn’t demand outside consulting help guide the conference through the Pac 12 Network debacle is insane.

Larry Scott is the true villain in all this and carries a massive part of the blame, but if you believe in true ownership and accountability, the CEO Group of presidents and chancellors are responsible
 
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The Alabaster Yak said:
I think the key distinction is that the Pac 12 isn’t one company being run by one one person. Each University is it’s own multi billion dollar institution and they had a select group of top executives from each one known as “the CEO group” that had specific oversight on all things Pac 12 athletics.

The fact there was zero inquiries or audits into the financials of the Pac 12 is insane. The fact the presidents allowed Larry to carry on with a $1m/mo HQ in the most expensive city in the country is insane. The fact they didn’t demand outside consulting help guide the conference through the Pac 12 Network debacle is insane.

Larry Scott is the true villain in all this and carries a massive part of the blame, but if you believe in true ownership and accountability, the CEO Group of presidents and chancellors are responsible
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Didn't our goober have a go at being the chair of that group?
 
Sammy11 said:
Baylor fan here (*ducks*)

Just to clear up a misconception.

The Big 12 has both an exit fee and a GOR.

GOR is for whatever term the length of the media deal happens to be. So not the 99 year thing.

Exit fee is 2 years of league distributions should you leave before 99 years is up. Typically that ends up being a starting point before things get negotiated down.

Regardless of whether y'all come back to the Big 12 I am hoping to see you have some success under Sanders.
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thanks for the lucid and polite post.

**** bailer.
 
tv land you are nobodies GIF by nobodies.


**** the truck stop 12. if we end up there, it will be like a forced marriage and i am going to enjoy all the chaos.

the thing i really do not understand is why the acc and pac together doesn't get more traction--- it would be far preferable to dealing with the mouth breathers in the truck stop 12. **** man this is NOT the old big 8 or old big 12. look at that murderer's row of lower tier schools.
 
Liver said:
tv land you are nobodies GIF by nobodies.


**** the truck stop 12. if we end up there, it will be like a forced marriage and i am going to enjoy all the chaos.

the thing i really do not understand is why the acc and pac together doesn't get more traction--- it would be far preferable to dealing with the mouth breathers in the truck stop 12. **** man this is NOT the old big 8 or old big 12. look at that murderer's row of lower tier schools.
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So a nobody CU should fit right in. I hated the move to the PAC then, nothing I've seen since has changed my mind. Crap announcers, crap sponsors, crap story lines, crap history broadcasts, crap...crap...and crap late night BS. People are going to eventually admit the move was dumb and made for one reason...a so called cultural fit that did nothing for the Buffs.
 
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Liver said:
tv land you are nobodies GIF by nobodies.


**** the truck stop 12. if we end up there, it will be like a forced marriage and i am going to enjoy all the chaos.

the thing i really do not understand is why the acc and pac together doesn't get more traction--- it would be far preferable to dealing with the mouth breathers in the truck stop 12. **** man this is NOT the old big 8 or old big 12. look at that murderer's row of lower tier schools.
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I don’t get it either. Yes it’s hard. Yes it requires a lot of negotiations. The conversations need to be clandestine. But f*** let’s do it. Perfect time to strike up a new conference.

After this offseason I want CU and FSU battling regularly.
 
Victory said:
I don’t get it either. Yes it’s hard. Yes it requires a lot of negotiations. The conversations need to be clandestine. But f*** let’s do it. Perfect time to strike up a new conference.

After this offseason I want CU and FSU battling regularly.
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Buffnik said:
I have to get used to being hated again. The Big 8 and CSU fans never stopped, but we haven't done enough to piss off the TX Big 12 adds or anyone in the Pac-12. But they're quickly coming around now along with the rest of the country. I am so thankful for Coach Prime.

Here come the assholes!
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I dealt with that **** growing up. The ones that knew me well took no offense because they knew my background. I'll try to make this as short as I can. It was on our Christmas break when I was in 7th grade. We were at the mall in Odessa and I saw this badass CU jacket. My mom told me it was too expensive and it wasn't even Christmas yet, couple of days before. :D Yes, I knew she'd end up getting it, just not when I was there. Fast forward to when school started back up. I'm rocking my new jacket and heading to ****ing Mr. Hogan's first block history class. I walk in and he goes, "wow, that's a nice jacket, too bad you don't have a Texas team on it." I said, whatever Papa Smurf. As soon as I said that, I thought to myself, oh ****. The dude thought the smurfs were evil, I mean literally. I already knew that because 2 of my older brothers were in his class and so was my older sister. I didn't get detention for it, try Saturday school just because I played ball. Yeah, like the Breakfast Club except we were only there till noon.:D
 
i don't have a source other than message board chatter, but apparently Notre Dame declined to attend the ACC meetings last week and this week.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I'm coming around (more like accepting) to the idea of the Big 12, as long as they are able to negotiate the GOR/exit fees to where it makes it relatively easy for CU to leave in 5 years.

Thought process:
1. CU is going to dominate recruiting in that conference (if Utah comes they'll be right there as well),
2. CU will be the marquee team and brand to the point where I would say they'll be on FOX, ABC, ESPN, ESPN2 or FS1 for the vast majority of their games, which if we're being honest, is better for exposure in 2024-2029 than Apple TV or Amazon.
3. CU's path to the playoff is easier going through TCU, Oklahoma State and Baylor, than going through Oregon and Washington (and Utah)
4. In theory, they should/will assert themselves as the big fish in a medium, but coast to coast, pond and probably put themselves in the best position for a B1G invite.

IMO, being the standout of a mediocre group is probably better than being #2/3/4 in an above average, but not elite, group. Even if Prime gets CU to UW, Utah and Oregon's level of competitiveness in the next couple years, I just don't see significantly more upside, as it relates to the end goal of joining the B1G, in that than (hopefully) dominating the Big 12.
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Your thought process is right on except #3 TCU, OSU and Baylor are better on average than Oregon, UDub and Utah.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
That’s actually a good point about even the perception of a P2. I guess as long as the playoff remains open with auto bids, it’ll be fine, but as soon as those go away and 10-12/12 playoff teams are from the P2, it’s over
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The thing about the P2 is as of today there are only 2 schools west of Texas in the P2. Even if the 2 PNW schools were added it they would still be missing an entire timezone. It would be really unbalanced without us and a few other P12 schools.
 
Victory said:
The thing about the P2 is as of today there are only 2 schools west of Texas in the P2. Even if the 2 PNW schools were added it they would still be missing an entire timezone. It would be really unbalanced without us and a few other P12 schools.
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I don’t think the MT zone even has 10% of the nation’s population...maybe when AZ is in MT during half of the year. That’s why the MT isn’t essential right now for P2 football.

We should appreciate the B12’s interest in us. A PAC without UO & UW could mean CSU being in the same conference as CU which an extreme majority of Buff fans don’t want.
 
PAC MAN said:
I don’t think the MT zone even has 10% of the nation’s population...maybe when AZ is in MT during half of the year. That’s why the MT isn’t essential right now for P2 football.

We should appreciate the B12’s interest in us. A PAC without UO & UW could mean CSU being in the same conference as CU which an extreme majority of Buff fans don’t want.
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On the B12 interest, gross. Complete opposite is true. It has tarnished our brand. You can’t go anywhere without seeing us associated with the B12 now. Also, it makes us look like we’re not good enough for the B1G.

I look at it this way, how are we any different than Iowa? Outside that Bohn hired 3 turds in a row and RG hired Dorrell we are 1) academically better 2) have a better FB history and 3) somewhat close geography wise 4) more of a rival to Neb than they are.

We shouldn’t be honored that the B12 leeched onto us. The only reason it’s taken off the way it has is bc of our recent FB failures. We look like easy pickens to vultures desperate for recognition and respect which they will never get.
 
PAC MAN said:
I don’t think the MT zone even has 10% of the nation’s population...maybe when AZ is in MT during half of the year. That’s why the MT isn’t essential right now for P2 football.

We should appreciate the B12’s interest in us. A PAC without UO & UW could mean CSU being in the same conference as CU which an extreme majority of Buff fans don’t want.
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That geography argument is used to knock the MT but ignores that all other timezones are not monolithic footprints where every school in the timezone gets to claim the full benefits of it.

Can Miami take credit for the entire east coast? Can Michigan claim viewers Texas will watch them bc they’re in the central timezone? No, that’s not how it works. The Denver DMA is pretty big and we bring that.

Any P2 idea needs time slots in the PT/MT range. USC and UCLA aren’t playing 12 night games. We’re a logical add from a network pov.
 
CarolinaBuff said:
This is at least 1 place I saw it about ND not attending the ACC meetings last week.

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I said this many months ago, the best plan is do like Judy and the Conference USA. Wait till the very last minute and do a deal. She did her deal after the end of the conference bowl games. Why do you do that? That's when networks know you have a product and they feel they can get the best price. Plus, if teams were to leave the PAC, you would have time to replace to them.

People thought the CUSA was dead but they swam and survived. At the end of the day, school presidents in the ACC ain't trying to lose an academic conference to go to a non one or the WC schools aren't trying to lose the research value.

Any rumor you hear is just that. Rumors. I really don't expect this to be solved till after the season. The B1G has work they have to do. They aren't close to making a decision to add teams. ACC isn't close. PAC will have clearer options by the end of Fall. It also helps that they have good publicity for the football this year which will raise the value and keep the focus on the current season and not the past. CUSA did this and this is how it survived
 
Victory said:
On the B12 interest, gross. Complete opposite is true. It has tarnished our brand. You can’t go anywhere without seeing us associated with the B12 now. Also, it makes us look like we’re not good enough for the B1G.

I look at it this way, how are we any different than Iowa? Outside that Bohn hired 3 turds in a row and RG hired Dorrell we are 1) academically better 2) have a better FB history and 3) somewhat close geography wise 4) more of a rival to Neb than they are.

We shouldn’t be honored that the B12 leeched onto us. The only reason it’s taken off the way it has is bc of our recent FB failures. We look like easy pickens to vultures desperate for recognition and respect which they will never get.
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Well...the BIG10 isn't interested in CU.
Could it change? Possibly, but I highly doubt it as there are too many choices
in the ACC they like more.
 
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