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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

Not Sure said:
The B12 isn’t in a position to demand CU do anything.
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True. But I do believe that adding baseball/softball and m/w hockey would make CU more attractive to the SEC and B1G, respectively. It's behind Folsom upgrades by far on my priority list, but I'd love to see it happen.

P.S. A new arena replacing the Keg which can do both court and ice would be amazing in the future.
 
BerkeleyBuff said:
On this issue, your "source" is incorrect. So very incorrect that it definitely strains their credibility, for sure.
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Also leaving the Ivy League would mean that the schools are no longer "Ivy League" schools. The students would no longer be "Ivy League" grads. There is no way in hell that any of those schools would sacrifice Ivy status for anything. Literally anything.
 
Not Sure said:
I get the requirements, but it’s still rather arbitrary. So South Florida is an AAU school but Georgia isn’t? Here locally, DU is not an AAU school but is ranked higher than many of the schools that are, including CU. As a measure of academic prestige, AAU status seems rather self serving.
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Read the link provided about AAU membership requirements. Nowhere does it refer to USNWR rankings. You prestige factor rating is absolutely arbitrary.
 
Big Jim said:
Read the link provided about AAU membership requirements. Nowhere does it refer to USNWR rankings. You prestige factor rating is absolutely arbitrary.
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Everyone uses USNWR rankings... except for university deans, provosts, chancellors and presidents.

So it's relevant unless we're talking about a criteria on which a university will base a decision (i.e., realignment).
 
Buffnik said:
True. But I do believe that adding baseball/softball and m/w hockey would make CU more attractive to the SEC and B1G, respectively. It's behind Folsom upgrades by far on my priority list, but I'd love to see it happen.

P.S. A new arena replacing the Keg which can do both court and ice would be amazing in the future.
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If that was an actual requirement, I would hope that CU would go with the cheapest NCAA varsity sports, because I would want all available funds to go to the revenue generating sports as much as possible. Fencing would be a good one, and not expensive (you can have both a men and women's team that go to the same meets). Bowling would be very easy, and, again both men and women teams. I don't know how well CU would be set up for swimming, but that would also seem a reasonable sport to add, again with both men and women's teams.
 
Buffnik said:
True. But I do believe that adding baseball/softball and m/w hockey would make CU more attractive to the SEC and B1G, respectively. It's behind Folsom upgrades by far on my priority list, but I'd love to see it happen.

P.S. A new arena replacing the Keg which can do both court and ice would be amazing in the future.
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Hockey might help a little. ASU has hockey which might eventually give them a leg up now that they are AAU.
 
Jayne Cobb said:
If that was an actual requirement, I would hope that CU would go with the cheapest NCAA varsity sports, because I would want all available funds to go to the revenue generating sports as much as possible. Fencing would be a good one, and not expensive (you can have both a men and women's team that go to the same meets). Bowling would be very easy, and, again both men and women teams. I don't know how well CU would be set up for swimming, but that would also seem a reasonable sport to add, again with both men and women's teams.
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The cheapest (no new facilities) that I think would draw some interest and CU would have a chance to be good:

Men's (scholarship #)
Lacrosse (12.6)
Soccer (9.9)
TOTAL (22.5)

Women's (scholarship #)
Rugby (12)
Triathlon (6.5)
Beach Volleyball (6)
TOTAL (24.5)

That would also do a bunch to get our Title IX scholarship balance in better shape. It's damn difficult to absorb 85 for football when there's no women's equivalent.

One note on rugby is that the HQ for USA Rugby is Glendale, CO. It's kind of a natural.

Another women's sport to consider is rowing. 20 scholarships. I remember a story about KSU's program from years ago. To keep costs down when there aren't exactly local HS rowing programs to recruit, they had a program where they offered a scholarship to any in-state HS athlete who made the all-state team and would teach them how to row once they got to campus. I thought that was a great idea.

Here's the link to scholarship limits by sport:

College Athletic Scholarship Limits 2020-21 | Scholarship Stats.com

College Athletic Scholarship limits 2020-21, NCAA, NAIA & NJCAA. Average Athletic Scholarship per Division.
scholarshipstats.com scholarshipstats.com
 
Buffnik said:
Everyone uses USNWR rankings... except for university deans, provosts, chancellors and presidents.

So it's relevant unless we're talking about a criteria on which a university will base a decision (i.e., realignment).
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DU is a good school with a solid reputation regionally but it doesn't matter what USNWR says, it has nowhere close to the academic prestige that CU has.

Very simply put DU has no place close to the research resume that CU does and for better or worse the academic world values research.

CU has the Nobel prize winners on staff. It also has a strong record nationally in terms of Fullbright Scholarships, Carnegie Scholarships, etc.

Sadly by many measures CU-Boulder has seen some declines in terms of academic standard and reputation in the time that Phil D has been Chancellor but locally, nationally, and internationally CU has a stronger reputation than DU in most fields for which they have shared programs

More significantly college sports is about the money, plain and simple.

In looking at potential candidates for expansion conferences are going to ask the same question, how much financial value does this school add to our conference.

This can mean looking at factors such as what kind of ratings does a school draw on TV games, nationally or regionally? How well do they draw both at home and on the road? Does the school attract major advertisers? etc.

The B1G and SEC are in a position that they can dictate to potential expansion candidates the addition of varsity sports. The B12 isn't.

The B12 like the PAC12 is worried about surviving as a conference at the highest level, they need schools that add value in revenue sports.

The B1G has the money. They can tell prospective candidates that they will be receiving enough extra money to pay for an expanded athletic program, take it or leave it.
 
Now that ASU is a new AAU member, the Sun Devil fan base is certain they will get offered a spot in the B1G.
 
Buffnik said:
True. But I do believe that adding baseball/softball and m/w hockey would make CU more attractive to the SEC and B1G, respectively. It's behind Folsom upgrades by far on my priority list, but I'd love to see it happen.

P.S. A new arena replacing the Keg which can do both court and ice would be amazing in the future.
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Yes, yes and yes to hockey at CU.
 
Not Sure said:
The B12 isn’t in a position to demand CU do anything
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The B12 has something the P doesn't...a TV deal. The best way to put it, CU didn't jump before and stayed pat, years later we joined the Pac and it was a novel idea that basically was a fail. The U took a major step with the hire of Prime looking forward to the future and potential...the Pac shouldn't make a dime off of the Buffs.
 
The domino effect is going to be unbelievable if CU pulls the trigger.

Recently Colorado and Arizona were pretty much known as the two most connected with interest in the Big12.
ASU had been sitting back not doing much and Utah seemed disinterested in the Big12 mainly due to their own inflated self worth and the possibility in being in same conference with hated BYU.

Today it seems the tide has changed.
Is it because both ASU and Utah know the other two are gone? Could ASU and Utah be in panic mode? Seems that they both have renewed interest.
 
InTheBuff said:
The domino effect is going to be unbelievable if CU pulls the trigger.

Recently Colorado and Arizona were pretty much known as the two most connected with interest in the Big12.
ASU had been sitting back not doing much and Utah seemed disinterested in the Big12 mainly due to their own inflated self worth and the possibility in being in same conference with hated BYU.

Today it seems the tide has changed.
Is it because both ASU and Utah know the other two are gone? Could ASU and Utah be in panic mode? Seems that they both have renewed interest.
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What happened today? What are you talking about.
 
Scrolling through my Twitter timeline trying to bask in the Nuggets victory and I see Neill Woelk retweeting this:

 
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