Victory
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What if it’s not a merger and just a scheduling agreement. Meaning, both conferences drop to 8 league games to make room for one guaranteed P12/ACC game a year for each team. Is that even possible? Idk.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Victory
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This is quality a** talking. SBJ predicts Apple will buy ESPN in 2024.
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SBJ Predicts Apple Could Acquire ESPN in 2024 | Cord Cutters News
The sports streaming war is heating up and Apple could make a major move by purchasing ESPN in 2024, according to a prediction made by Robert Ourand of Sports Business Journal on the Marchand & Ourand podcast. During the podcast Ourand said the following: “Think 2024, right before the NBA...
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Food for thought.
So you dont have to click in….
No conference for college football games performs at a high level when playing games on cable. A high level performance is 4 million viewers or more. No conference comes close to that when they play games on ESPN, ESPN2, BTN, ACCN, SECN, etc.
However, when a game is played on OTA (NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX), the Big Ten and SEC perform to the golden standard.
The Pac-12 and Big 12 are low-performing TV draws on cable and OTA.
IMO, it was a mistake for the SEC to leave CBS. The data is clear that even SEC teams have less viewership on cable channels.
The SEC leaving CBS will be the Big Ten's gain.
For Big Ten expansion, the data that I am sharing in this tweet should be used a positive selling point to the ACC schools. Join a conference that has a TV contract with just over 46% of all games played on OTA.
People argue that a college football only breakaway for the Big Ten and SEC will lead to a loss of viewers. The data does not support that argeuement at all. College football is already P2 viewership based.
The top performing TV draw for a school with no future in a P2 is Lousville at 20th in the country. The next two non-P2 schools are Oregon State and Oregon at 30th and 31st in the country.
College football viewership is already P2 based.
I dont think its that surprising.This is quality a** talking. SBJ predicts Apple will buy ESPN in 2024.
SBJ Predicts Apple Could Acquire ESPN in 2024 | Cord Cutters News
The sports streaming war is heating up and Apple could make a major move by purchasing ESPN in 2024, according to a prediction made by Robert Ourand of Sports Business Journal on the Marchand & Ourand podcast. During the podcast Ourand said the following: “Think 2024, right before the NBA...
Jack Welch made a killing at GE for decades off of GE Financial and juicing quarterly earnings from that division. When 2008 happened financial nearly destroyed GE and at the end NBC was sold along with GE appliances to pay the bill. ESPN was a revenue giant for Disney in much the same way. Peak cable was around 2011 with 110,000,000 homes paying Disney $8 or $9 per month. Thats a lot of money. Cord cutting is wiping that revenue out.
Disney’s Cable Channels Heading For A Cliff (DIS)
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While Disney has many operating units that interconnect to create a flywheel effect, their cable networks still comprise a third of their revenues. When looking at profits, networks disproportionately make up $8.5 billion of their overall $12.1 billion in operating income, presenting material downside risk if things go wrong here. This sets a higher hurdle for streaming to not only become profitable, but to make up for declines in their traditional cable business.
Apple meanwhile wants to get into TV and has a ton of money. If Apple can get Disney to include ABC in the deal that would be epic
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I'm supposed to believe that Oregon State is a bigger TV draw than Washington and Utah, let alone Miami, Clemson, FSU, UNC, etc? Also that Louisville is a bigger draw than Oregon and those other ACC schools?
Victory
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They did have Bob Iger present w/ Tim Cook at the WWDC Vision Pro intro yesterday.I dont think its that surprising.
Jack Welch made a killing at GE for decades off of GE Financial and juicing quarterly earnings from that division. When 2008 happened financial nearly destroyed GE and at the end NBC was sold along with GE appliances to pay the bill. ESPN was a revenue giant for Disney in much the same way. Peak cable was around 2011 with 110,000,000 homes paying Disney $8 or $9 per month. Thats a lot of money. Cord cutting is wiping that revenue out.
Disney’s Cable Channels Heading For A Cliff (DIS)
While Disney has the best-in-class content, they come with a lot of baggage. Click here to see our take on DIS stock.
While Disney has many operating units that interconnect to create a flywheel effect, their cable networks still comprise a third of their revenues. When looking at profits, networks disproportionately make up $8.5 billion of their overall $12.1 billion in operating income, presenting material downside risk if things go wrong here. This sets a higher hurdle for streaming to not only become profitable, but to make up for declines in their traditional cable business.
Apple meanwhile wants to get into TV and has a ton of money. If Apple can get Disney to include ABC in the deal that would be epic
Victory
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Beavs are a huge draw. Why, does that gnaw at you?
Dam, that is a good pun.
This is quality a** talking. SBJ predicts Apple will buy ESPN in 2024.
SBJ Predicts Apple Could Acquire ESPN in 2024 | Cord Cutters News
The sports streaming war is heating up and Apple could make a major move by purchasing ESPN in 2024, according to a prediction made by Robert Ourand of Sports Business Journal on the Marchand & Ourand podcast. During the podcast Ourand said the following: “Think 2024, right before the NBA...
Hmmm...did you look at the article's date?
4 of the top 9 2023 recruiting/transfer combo classes reside in what is currently the Pac 12. The previous head of the Pac was a goon: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...ct-newcomer-class-rankings-transfers-recruits
Beaver-y careful the mods might get gnaw-seous
I dont know if that was a typo or what. But this appears to be the data he used…
College Football TV Ratings
College football TV ratings for the 2024 regular season, bowls, College Football Playoff and National Championship.
www.sportsmediawatch.com
OrStU 2022
Wk1 v BSU-1.25m,
wk6 v Stanford-1.08m,
wk10 v UW-1.13m,
wk12 v ASU-484k,
wk13 v UO-3.56m,
Bowl v UF- 2.5m
Victory
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Ha, no. Still it does make sense. Iger and Cook shared the stage yesterday. Decent amount of live sports talk w/ Vision Pro.
You have to whittle away at those very carefully
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Well he did put it into an Excel spreadsheet. It doesn't get more believable than that!
It’s a resilient thread.
BlackNGold
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Yes, he had two columns and then a third column that said Grand Total and it was not obvious how that was calculated since it was smaller than the other 2. After that I am pretty sure the guy is an idiot.
Too big of a bite and they taste like sh!t
I would assume network execs put the very best games on OTA v cable since theyre expected to draw well. So yeah, OTA is bigger.
His point about B1G having more OTA slots (Fox, CBS, NBC) v Cable slots is just something we will have to see play out over time. But its probably more valuable eye balls wise then any of the other conferences have.
This definitely feels like a “how to lie with statistics” analysis. No factoring opponent or time slot or anything meaningful. It’s interesting data but that’s about it
I still love the concept of an ACC-PAC alliance to form a new conference.
Starting at 16 teams for the media deal:
West
Colorado
Utah
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
East
Miami
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Clemson
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
I don't know that the media revenue for each member would quite get to what the B1G and SEC programs are getting per year, but it would be in the ballpark. And if the conference lost anyone to B1G/SEC expansion, there would be options to poach and expand from the Big 12 along with some other programs including former conference affiliates and some G5s/ Independents.
I actually question why this hasn't happened when you consider the financial windfall the schools who entered this would realize. And if we're talking about doubling media revenue, as is likely, that trumps any lip service any of these schools pay to solidarity with current conference brethren.
Edit: Also, because I can't resist - the other option is 4 pods instead of 2 divisions.
1 - Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington
2 - Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State
3 - Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson
4 - North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, VA Tech
Each pod plays each other every year for 3 games. Then you play 2 games (home & away) with each of the other 3 pods for another 6 games. It basically results in 2 long road trips per year for everyone to the other side of the country, so it's really not bad and certainly not the problem many assume at first blush for such a geographically separated conference.
(In hoops and other sports, I think you do divisions instead of pods to minimize travel within the scheduling and save money.)
Starting at 16 teams for the media deal:
West
Colorado
Utah
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
East
Miami
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Clemson
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
I don't know that the media revenue for each member would quite get to what the B1G and SEC programs are getting per year, but it would be in the ballpark. And if the conference lost anyone to B1G/SEC expansion, there would be options to poach and expand from the Big 12 along with some other programs including former conference affiliates and some G5s/ Independents.
I actually question why this hasn't happened when you consider the financial windfall the schools who entered this would realize. And if we're talking about doubling media revenue, as is likely, that trumps any lip service any of these schools pay to solidarity with current conference brethren.
Edit: Also, because I can't resist - the other option is 4 pods instead of 2 divisions.
1 - Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington
2 - Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State
3 - Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson
4 - North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, VA Tech
Each pod plays each other every year for 3 games. Then you play 2 games (home & away) with each of the other 3 pods for another 6 games. It basically results in 2 long road trips per year for everyone to the other side of the country, so it's really not bad and certainly not the problem many assume at first blush for such a geographically separated conference.
(In hoops and other sports, I think you do divisions instead of pods to minimize travel within the scheduling and save money.)
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The best part of this thread are the posts where people like to make up fantasy conferences and fantasy divisions.
Its at this point that Ill suggest a hobby you can control versus one you cant.
Its at this point that Ill suggest a hobby you can control versus one you cant.
I commented a couple of posts back.
However he doesnt appear to be wrong that the B1G has set itself up with more broadcast rights v cable or pure streaming then any other conference. The B1G has been WAY ahead of everyone else for two decades now. Cable has fallen from 110m households to 60m In just over a decade Pure Streamings services numbers for sports are trash atm. So if you want to reach the masses broadcast is probably it. The B1G seems to understand the market better then any other conf.
Nah, the best part of this thread are all the people who continue to read every post and comment about how lame the thread is instead of just shutting the **** up.
@Buffnik has been making up scenarios like that since I joined the board 10 years ago. If he didn’t have this thread he’d find another one to drop that post. Probably, the ‘searching for sex’ thread.
I saw that too.
Maybe some jealousy? Maybe those 8 programs dont like being relegated to streaming only? Maybe Yormark was incentivized to do the bidding for espn (we need more ppl on espn+)?
In men’s basketball, all regular season and exhibition games from the eight participating programs that are not distributed on ESPN’s traditional television networks will be available exclusively on Big 12 Now on ESPN+.
Given CUs position, This thread is extremely lame make no mistake.
The palace intrigue and the search for hope seems to bring us back.
Maybe if we hit 12,000 posts in this thread, CU will finally make the announcement that they are either staying in the P12 or leaving for the B12.
I'm thinking the lack of a new college football video game for 10 years has led people to find something else to enjoy their favorite sport. Fear not, the new EA CFB game that is scheduled to come out next year might quiet things down on forums.
I recall a lot of misinformation flying around right before CU announced its departure from the B12. Part of that could be attributed to Baylor making noise about why they should go to the then Pac-10 instead of CU.