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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

@Buffnik has been making up scenarios like that since I joined the board 10 years ago. If he didn’t have this thread he’d find another one to drop that post. Probably, the ‘searching for sex’ thread.
I wasnt calling him out but since you did. Well…

im sure I did it once too. But im ashamed niw because it happened and the tradition of college football has been destroyed.
 
Given CUs position, This thread is extremely lame make no mistake.
Given real life, anonymous blog posting is extremely lame, yet here we are.

Realignment is a fascinating topic for people who enjoy it. It’s similar to recruiting or NFL fans nerding out on the draft. People like talking about different scenarios, none of which we can control, including the outcomes of actual games during the season.
 
Given real life, anonymous blog posting is extremely lame, yet here we are.

Realignment is a fascinating topic for people who enjoy it. It’s similar to recruiting or NFL fans nerding out on the draft. People like talking about different scenarios, none of which we can control, including the outcomes of actual games during the season.

Just imagine how unhinged this place would be if CU was being relegated to the MWC and has to play CSU in every sport.
 

New BOR meeting just posted for Friday.
I dont see that it's private. Hmmm?

If not private then this is just like what happened when CU went to the PAC.

Probably to discuss funding for gold plated toilets in CP's bathroom at the Champions Center.
 
I don't believe anything anyone says about anything, but I especially don't believe that UConn and Gonzaga will be joining the Big 12 as basketball only partners at the same time as CU and one or more of the 4 corners schools will be joining as full members.
 
I would assume network execs put the very best games on OTA v cable since theyre expected to draw well. So yeah, OTA is bigger.

His point about B1G having more OTA slots (Fox, CBS, NBC) v Cable slots is just something we will have to see play out over time. But its probably more valuable eye balls wise then any of the other conferences have.

Here us his fallacy. He is the one using the OTA designation and says he uses Sports Media Watch, but Sports media Watch has not data for OTA consumption. So few people are actually using OTA as a delivery platform. So lets say I watch a college football game on ABC through my Comcast subscription - am I watching it on Cable or OTA. He is trying to make a case that OTA is some dominant delivery platform, it is not. CBS, ABC, NBC and Fox all had big games every week.
 
WSU BOR meeting with an agenda item to delegate contractual authority on media grant of rights deal to WSU President Schultz. I don’t know what that means, but it is interesting that this proposed delegation is being discussed this week. Things appear to be moving rapidly. Ok, maybe not rapidly, but faster than glacial pace.

Where would WSU be going? Seems like they are left out of most of the scenarios we hear about?
 
Where would WSU be going? Seems like they are left out of most of the scenarios we hear about?
This is a 2 day long retreat for the regents and the school to conduct business. Doubt that this was planned recently. Maybe it’s a happy coincidence that GK pulled a miracle out of his ass and they’ll discuss the TV contract. This seems more like a long planned action to give the president authority to make a tv deal though. Regardless of the PAC TV deal, WSU will be accepting it and someone will need to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

Looks like maybe we’ll know something Friday though. Maybe a good PAC TV deal was presented at the executive session and CU will vote on Friday. Or maybe the tv deal was presented and it’s **** so they finalized Big 12 and will formally vote on Friday.
 
This is a 2 day long retreat for the regents and the school to conduct business. Doubt that this was planned recently. Maybe it’s a happy coincidence that GK pulled a miracle out of his ass and they’ll discuss the TV contract. This seems more like a long planned action to give the president authority to make a tv deal though. Regardless of the PAC TV deal, WSU will be accepting it and someone will need to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

Looks like maybe we’ll know something Friday though. Maybe a good PAC TV deal was presented at the executive session and CU will vote on Friday. Or maybe the tv deal was presented and it’s **** so they finalized Big 12 and will formally vote on Friday.
Or nothing. Again.
 
I still love the concept of an ACC-PAC alliance to form a new conference.

Starting at 16 teams for the media deal:

West
Colorado
Utah
Arizona
Arizona State
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Washington

East
Miami
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Clemson
North Carolina
NC State
Virginia
Virginia Tech

I don't know that the media revenue for each member would quite get to what the B1G and SEC programs are getting per year, but it would be in the ballpark. And if the conference lost anyone to B1G/SEC expansion, there would be options to poach and expand from the Big 12 along with some other programs including former conference affiliates and some G5s/ Independents.

I actually question why this hasn't happened when you consider the financial windfall the schools who entered this would realize. And if we're talking about doubling media revenue, as is likely, that trumps any lip service any of these schools pay to solidarity with current conference brethren.

Edit: Also, because I can't resist - the other option is 4 pods instead of 2 divisions.
1 - Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Washington
2 - Colorado, Utah, Arizona, Arizona State
3 - Miami, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Clemson
4 - North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, VA Tech
Each pod plays each other every year for 3 games. Then you play 2 games (home & away) with each of the other 3 pods for another 6 games. It basically results in 2 long road trips per year for everyone to the other side of the country, so it's really not bad and certainly not the problem many assume at first blush for such a geographically separated conference.
(In hoops and other sports, I think you do divisions instead of pods to minimize travel within the scheduling and save money.)
I posted the same configuration + and ND partnership back in May. Pitt fans did not like being left out.

 
This is a 2 day long retreat for the regents and the school to conduct business. Doubt that this was planned recently. Maybe it’s a happy coincidence that GK pulled a miracle out of his ass and they’ll discuss the TV contract. This seems more like a long planned action to give the president authority to make a tv deal though. Regardless of the PAC TV deal, WSU will be accepting it and someone will need to dot the i’s and cross the t’s.

Looks like maybe we’ll know something Friday though. Maybe a good PAC TV deal was presented at the executive session and CU will vote on Friday. Or maybe the tv deal was presented and it’s **** so they finalized Big 12 and will formally vote on Friday.
Anyone know why people are claiming this is an open session? It just says Special Board Meeting. Maybe I’m missing something (tinfoil hat perhaps).
 
Combining all the rumors and reading between some lines....
Colorado and Arizona to big12
PAC adds smu and San Diego, now the PAC 10.
Unequal revenue share for new PAC, with wash\oregan, ASU\utah getting the lions share bringing them up to close to big12 money each and the rest get the left overs. Plus post season unequal revenue share.

No Gonzaga, no UConn in big12, that was just leaked as pressure to try to get asu\utah, but ultimately they stay for their now unequal revenue share of pac10.
 
Maybe if we hit 12,000 posts in this thread, CU will finally make the announcement that they are either staying in the P12 or leaving for the B12. :LOL:

I'm thinking the lack of a new college football video game for 10 years has led people to find something else to enjoy their favorite sport. Fear not, the new EA CFB game that is scheduled to come out next year might quiet things down on forums.



I recall a lot of misinformation flying around right before CU announced its departure from the B12. Part of that could be attributed to Baylor making noise about why they should go to the then Pac-10 instead of CU.
We could hit 6236 pages in this thread before that dumb**** Kliavkoff gets a TV deal done.
 
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Food for thought.





So you dont have to click in….

No conference for college football games performs at a high level when playing games on cable. A high level performance is 4 million viewers or more. No conference comes close to that when they play games on ESPN, ESPN2, BTN, ACCN, SECN, etc.

However, when a game is played on OTA (NBC, CBS, ABC, FOX), the Big Ten and SEC perform to the golden standard.

The Pac-12 and Big 12 are low-performing TV draws on cable and OTA.

IMO, it was a mistake for the SEC to leave CBS. The data is clear that even SEC teams have less viewership on cable channels.

The SEC leaving CBS will be the Big Ten's gain.

For Big Ten expansion, the data that I am sharing in this tweet should be used a positive selling point to the ACC schools. Join a conference that has a TV contract with just over 46% of all games played on OTA.

People argue that a college football only breakaway for the Big Ten and SEC will lead to a loss of viewers. The data does not support that argeuement at all. College football is already P2 viewership based.

The top performing TV draw for a school with no future in a P2 is Lousville at 20th in the country. The next two non-P2 schools are Oregon State and Oregon at 30th and 31st in the country.

College football viewership is already P2 based.

A few things to address-
1- The SEC wasn't stupid for leaving CBS... because those 15 games simply swapped to ABC. They'll do similarly IMO. If they were replacing CBS with ESPN they'd be right but that's not happening. It's literally the same stuff on a new OTA network and possibly one more game depending on if the TXOU addition triggers pro-rata on the ABC deal or the ESPN deal.

2- The Big Ten killed it both pay wise and window wise locking up all of FOX noon saturday, CBS afternoon Saturday, and NBC prime time Saturday.

3- That certainly will be a boost to expansion efforts but the monetization effort for them beyond those windows makes it tougher to justify expansion unless the BTN carriage fees/ad rates or a streaming partner do a lot of lifting to support the added inventory at the needed $. If the league is getting X divided by 16 and they've maxed out their network/ota channels due to exclusivity with FOX noon, CBS afternoon, NBC prime time. So the networks where advertisers can look and say "we can charge $X for ads and price it based on this expected viewership" will only go so high on cable and it might not avoid being dilutive until the next tv deal is up for bid.

4- A breakaway would lose some viewership. They'd still have the bulk of it but it would lose a lot. College Sports is more tribal and relegating Wazzu isn't going to generate a ton of Husky fans and relegating Utah isn't going to make a bunch of USC fans.

5- Their averages per school without looking at # of games per school is misleading. Particularly on Louisville since two MASSIVE 2016 games put the thumb on the scale pushing the average from 1.8M to 2.1M. The ACC has a relatively low # of nationally rated games per school keeping the weaker sisters of the inventory from tanking the average. UL has 42 since 2016 and the rest are shoved onto the unrated ACCN or regional syndication.

Baylor has 68. Oregon has 56. Boise has 57, and Texas Tech had 66. That's apples and oranges in sample size. SicEm365 did a solid job accounting for it:

UL comes in at a respectable 34th in top 36 game average over their sample range for instance. Well behind Oregon (20th), OkState (24th), Baylor (28th), and others.

6- OREGON STATE? No offense but LOL. One of the weakest in the PAC 12 is that high? Perhaps that's a sign your data might be filtered to irrelevant conclusions.
 
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Combining all the rumors and reading between some lines....
Colorado and Arizona to big12
PAC adds smu and San Diego, now the PAC 10.
Unequal revenue share for new PAC, with wash\oregan, ASU\utah getting the lions share bringing them up to close to big12 money each and the rest get the left overs. Plus post season unequal revenue share.

No Gonzaga, no UConn in big12, that was just leaked as pressure to try to get asu\utah, but ultimately they stay for their now unequal revenue share of pac10.
What happens with the PAC depends on how much ASU, Utah, UW, UO, and Stanford want to stay vs have options they want. I could see the B1G offer reduced shares to any 2 of UW, UO, or Stanford and the Big 12 would probably extend a hand to any of the 5 potentially should they want it.

Will be curious how much that deal gets impacted by a two school departure. Whether it's high enough for unequal revenue to hold the 8 together or not could be in question.
 
I'm supposed to believe that Oregon State is a bigger TV draw than Washington and Utah, let alone Miami, Clemson, FSU, UNC, etc? Also that Louisville is a bigger draw than Oregon and those other ACC schools?
Genetics isn't an account that's all that solid. Questionable analysis and tends to go nuts at Flugaur a lot.
 
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