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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

Buffnik said:
It started when they made Muschamp "Head Coach in Waiting" in 2008. Mack had a contract through 2016, no plans to retire any time soon, and he was on his streak of 10+ win seasons. Things turned a couple years later and I believe that this was a big reason why it happened.
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On November 18, 2008, the University of Texas announced Muschamp would succeed Brown whenever he retired. They agreed in principle to increase Muschamp's salary to $900,000. There was no timetable set for Brown's departure, and both Brown and UT said they expected Brown to stay a long time.[5][21]

Muschamp left in 2010.

Final years at Texas​

In 2009, Texas went undefeated in the regular season to win the Big 12 South Division. They defeated Nebraska in the Big 12 Championship Game to earn a berth in the national title game against Alabama. QB Colt McCoy was injured early in the game and did not return, leaving the offense in the hands of inexperienced true freshman Garrett Gilbert. Alabama dominated Texas to win the national title. Brown would coach the Longhorns for four more seasons. However, the teams would not match the success of the previous years. In 2010, the team had a losing record and did not play in a bowl game for the first and only time under Brown. On December 14, 2013, he announced his resignation as Texas's Head Coach effective following that season's bowl game.

Colt McCoy and other older players were covering for Mack by 2009. Who the hell goes into the 2009 season with a true frosh as a back up. He also passed on Manziel, Jameis Winston, Andrew Luck and RG3.

What Does It Say About Mack Brown That He Didn't Recruit Jameis Winston?​


For what it's worth, a source at UT told Bruce Feldman of CBSSports on Tuesday morning that they did reach out to Winston's high school coach, but they didn't think Winston was seriously interested.

Feldman followed up on that tweet with a story that says Winston called Texas "four or five" times but didn't hear back. From Geoff Ketchum at Orangebloods.com to Travis Haney of ESPN.com, just about everyone seems to have a different version of what happened.

Almost every story has three sides: one side, the other side and the truth.

What is known is that Winston ultimately chose between Alabama and Florida State coming out of high school. Would an offer from Texas at any point in time have changed that? Maybe, maybe not. Here's what Winston said in the same al.com interview:

"It's about relationships," he said. "I dreamed about Texas, but if they came with an offer now I couldn't consider it. I don't know those coaches and the time between now and signing day is not enough time to get to know them."
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The Longhorns signed one quarterback in the 2012 class: Connor Brewer from Chaparral High School in Scottsdale, Arizona. Brewer, a four-star prospect according to Rivals.com, only lasted one year in Austin. Brewer tweeted over the summer that he was transferring to Arizona.

It was another swing and a miss in the grand narrative about Mack Brown recruiting Joe Quarterback to play defensive back for the Longhorns...if he recruited him at all. And it was only made worse when the news about Winston's one-time interest in Texas was dredged up again Monday night.

The most popular stories in the narrative involve Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel and former Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III, both Heisman winners who were reportedly viewed as athletes in the eyes of Texas.

"I don't remember what the conversations (about Griffin) were,” Brown said via a 2011 piece from the San Antonio Express-News. “Which is bad.”

Even Andrew Luck from Stratford High School in Houston, Texas, couldn't get an offer from the Longhorns, according to both ESPN.com and the Austin-American Statesman.

Where Brown deserves criticism—and he certainly gets it—is putting all his football-shaped eggs in the Garrett Gilbert basket while letting a prospect like Luck completely go by unnoticed. During that period, one backup, Connor Wood, transferred to Colorado. Wood didn't see any playing time with the 'Horns, but he racked up 400 yards passing and three touchdowns for the Buffaloes in Sunday's win over Colorado State.

Clearly he has some ability, but Wood was buried in the depth chart at UT behind David Ash and Case McCoy.
 
Buffnik said:
"Too forward thinking" = "not making his players participate in a UT tradition of singing a song steeped in racism"
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66BUFF said:
Why did he end up at FAU if he was such a great coach? Dude was a doooshe and a cancer inside of the program. My son had a roommate at Texas that worked in the football program and he said everybody hated Herman and his wife.
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Hope they're enjoying playing .500 football for all intensive purposes under Sark then.

They blew it with that hire IMO.
 
PAC MAN said:
That McMurphy tweet is one of the strongest reasons to stay put in the P12. Just look at A&M and the resources they have. They shouldn't be 3 out of 11 in that regard.
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Ive covered this before. There are a lot of teams that have joined these giant conferences and faded while the same 3 to 4 teams that have always won it still do. The 3 to 4 get a majority of the airtime thus they get a majority of the recruits. Money isnt everything.

Prime can play his ‘aint hard to find’ card with great success against an SEC and B1G teams to get the players that are 2nd on the depth chart and those kids can start here.
 
MiamiBuffs said:
Ive covered this before. There are a lot of teams that have joined these giant conferences and faded while the same 3 to 4 teams that have always won it still do. The 3 to 4 get a majority of the airtime thus they get a majority of the recruits. Money isnt everything.

Prime can play his ‘aint hard to find’ card with great success against an SEC and B1G teams to get the players that are 2nd on the depth chart and those kids can start here.
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The McMurphy tweet was deceiving bc he was including 4-4 records as not having a winning record, which technically true but it’s not a losing record either.

Apples to apples TAMU has faired better in the SEC than the B12. The records bear that out.
 
66BUFF said:
On November 18, 2008, the University of Texas announced Muschamp would succeed Brown whenever he retired. They agreed in principle to increase Muschamp's salary to $900,000. There was no timetable set for Brown's departure, and both Brown and UT said they expected Brown to stay a long time.[5][21]

Muschamp left in 2010.

Final years at Texas​

In 2009, Texas went undefeated in the regular season to win the Big 12 South Division. They defeated Nebraska in the Big 12 Championship Game to earn a berth in the national title game against Alabama. QB Colt McCoy was injured early in the game and did not return, leaving the offense in the hands of inexperienced true freshman Garrett Gilbert. Alabama dominated Texas to win the national title. Brown would coach the Longhorns for four more seasons. However, the teams would not match the success of the previous years. In 2010, the team had a losing record and did not play in a bowl game for the first and only time under Brown. On December 14, 2013, he announced his resignation as Texas's Head Coach effective following that season's bowl game.

Colt McCoy and other older players were covering for Mack by 2009. Who the hell goes into the 2009 season with a true frosh as a back up. He also passed on Manziel, Jameis Winston, Andrew Luck and RG3.

What Does It Say About Mack Brown That He Didn't Recruit Jameis Winston?​


For what it's worth, a source at UT told Bruce Feldman of CBSSports on Tuesday morning that they did reach out to Winston's high school coach, but they didn't think Winston was seriously interested.

Feldman followed up on that tweet with a story that says Winston called Texas "four or five" times but didn't hear back. From Geoff Ketchum at Orangebloods.com to Travis Haney of ESPN.com, just about everyone seems to have a different version of what happened.

Almost every story has three sides: one side, the other side and the truth.

What is known is that Winston ultimately chose between Alabama and Florida State coming out of high school. Would an offer from Texas at any point in time have changed that? Maybe, maybe not. Here's what Winston said in the same al.com interview:


The Longhorns signed one quarterback in the 2012 class: Connor Brewer from Chaparral High School in Scottsdale, Arizona. Brewer, a four-star prospect according to Rivals.com, only lasted one year in Austin. Brewer tweeted over the summer that he was transferring to Arizona.

It was another swing and a miss in the grand narrative about Mack Brown recruiting Joe Quarterback to play defensive back for the Longhorns...if he recruited him at all. And it was only made worse when the news about Winston's one-time interest in Texas was dredged up again Monday night.

The most popular stories in the narrative involve Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel and former Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III, both Heisman winners who were reportedly viewed as athletes in the eyes of Texas.

"I don't remember what the conversations (about Griffin) were,” Brown said via a 2011 piece from the San Antonio Express-News. “Which is bad.”

Even Andrew Luck from Stratford High School in Houston, Texas, couldn't get an offer from the Longhorns, according to both ESPN.com and the Austin-American Statesman.

Where Brown deserves criticism—and he certainly gets it—is putting all his football-shaped eggs in the Garrett Gilbert basket while letting a prospect like Luck completely go by unnoticed. During that period, one backup, Connor Wood, transferred to Colorado. Wood didn't see any playing time with the 'Horns, but he racked up 400 yards passing and three touchdowns for the Buffaloes in Sunday's win over Colorado State.

Clearly he has some ability, but Wood was buried in the depth chart at UT behind David Ash and Case McCoy.
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TLDR - UT undermined its most successful coach as armchair quarterbacks criticized how he was running his program and the winning culture crumbled within 3 years.
 
66BUFF said:
He needs to start winning 10+ per year or he will be gone. He has restocked the talent.
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Texas’s best hope to 10 wins is to get Vandy, Miss St, Mizzou, TAMU and UT every season, so nope wins will never happen. Texas maxed the SEC jump for the money, boosters better drown their egos in Mississippi River as they travel east.

Also, can we take a moment and contemplate how disgusting the orange color clash of UT vs UT will be. A Creamsicles vs a Rusty Chain.
 
SINKRATZ said:
He’s been there 2 years, had a 3 win improvement in year 2 and is recruiting lights out. Let’s see how the next few years go before writing Sark off.

Also *intents and purposes*
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Also he's rebuilt a program from winless before and virtually all the offensive contributors in year two other than the RB tandem were his guys. It's a partial rebuild and he's going to improve them considerably.
 
Notre Dame will be seeking to triple its football rights fees to $65 million to $75 million annually during its next cycle of media negotiations, sources told Front Office Sports. But if the Fighting Irish want that kind of money, they might have to give up their cherished independence — and finally join a power conference.
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“My big-picture thought is that Notre Dame will need a conference to support a three-time bump long term,” said Patrick Crakes, the former Fox Sports executive turned media consultant. “I think either the Big Ten or SEC would do. Also, don’t rule out a third new conference in several years. A lot of assumptions are falling apart as pay-TV-bundle economics go flat.”

The wild card is incoming Notre Dame athletic director Pete Bevacqua, the NBC Sports chairman who will succeed current AD Jack Swarbrick in 2024.
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ND leading the formation of a new conference involving themselves and the cream of the ACC, Pac and XII seems the most likely path to a P3.

that being said, i still think they end up in the B1G.
 
hokiehead said:
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ND leading the formation of a new conference involving themselves and the cream of the ACC, Pac and XII seems the most likely path to a P3.

that being said, i still think they end up in the B1G.
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This is something that I think almost everybody here could support.*






*as long as CU is part of this shiny new conference. I didn’t realize the NBC/ND deal expires at the same time as the current PAC 12 deal. NBC/Universal would make a very nice media partner for the new conference.
 
Not Sure said:
This is something that I think almost everybody here could support.*






*as long as CU is part of this shiny new conference. I didn’t realize the NBC/ND deal expires at the same time as the current PAC 12 deal. NBC/Universal would make a very nice media partner for the new conference.
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Makes too much sense and why it will never happen :(
 
Not Sure said:
This is something that I think almost everybody here could support.*






*as long as CU is part of this shiny new conference. I didn’t realize the NBC/ND deal expires at the same time as the current PAC 12 deal. NBC/Universal would make a very nice media partner for the new conference.
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B1G is 14 + 2 (USC and UCLA), and SEC is 14 + 2 (UT and OU), so the goal would be to get to 16. The math (on face) would be 5 each from P12, B12, and ACC plus Notre Dame. However, I just looked at the B12 schools again and JFC I don't think I could justify putting 5 schools from that conference into a new P3.

  • ACC: FSU, GT, UNC, Clemson, Miami, VT
  • B12: Okie State, Baylor ( :sick: ),TCU
  • P12: UofO, UW, ASU, Cal, UU, CU
  • ND
Pretty good looking conference, actually. That UW/Miami trip is brutal though.


Also thought I'd drop this here:

 
Denver_sc said:
B1G is 14 + 2 (USC and UCLA), and SEC is 14 + 2 (UT and OU), so the goal would be to get to 16. The math (on face) would be 5 each from P12, B12, and ACC plus Notre Dame. However, I just looked at the B12 schools again and JFC I don't think I could justify putting 5 schools from that conference into a new P3.

  • ACC: FSU, GT, UNC, Clemson, Miami, VT
  • B12: Okie State, Baylor ( :sick: ),TCU
  • P12: UofO, UW, ASU, Cal, UU, CU
  • ND
Pretty good looking conference, actually. That UW/Miami trip is brutal though.


Also thought I'd drop this here:

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Replace TCU with Kansas. Hoops still means something, and whoever the new media partner is will want to have programming in February and March that is meaningful.
 
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