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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Hidden Fees
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It's clearly full
I'm sure it's a very serious show with very connected journalists who fact check everything before they present it as true.
It's definitely not a couple of asshats who present opinion as fact in order to get dumbasses to watch it.
Sammy11
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The MAC, Sun Belt, and now CUSA will all have early week games.
The Big 12 will have more Thurs/Fri games than before but the PAC already had more of those than the Big 12 anyway.
That duck post reads like an Oregon State dream scenario for this to end up at.
You agree on all accounts, except for the second sentence that completely undermines your entire argument?
ahoelsken
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Grain of salt on both sources. Talked to a buddy who went to SMU tonight. Season ticket holder still.....but doesn't have any "sources", so take this FWIW. Their entire fanbase wants this badly-and their boosters are as rich as Canzano said they are. Could they pull that off and make it work? Easily. Will they? He doesn't think they'll have to.
They make a ton of sense as an addition at least from our perspective. I'll take all the exposure I can get in Texas-Wilner said that we're SMU's travel partner (assuming they join). Logic being how much we recruit Texas and the recent history between Utah and San Diego State (that I'm old enough to remember). I'm good with that-that's a game in DFW in football every other year and a basketball game down there every year for the forseeable future. Sign me up for that if we're staying. We've got to make up the number of households we lose as best we can. Dallas instantly becomes the biggest Pac 12 market at 3.9M. San Diego adds another 1.1M. I'm half tempted to try to go to 14 and invite Rice and Tulane. They fit the league's academic profile. They're both in worthwhile to add markets. We'd have access to the two biggest cities in Texas (and New Orleans). This would be creative and forward thinking-but this is the Pac 12. That can't happen.
Rice doesn't give you Houston, and SMU doesn't give you Dallas. Both of those schools are probably third/fourth/fifth fiddle even in their own hometowns behind Texas, Texas A&M, TCU (Dallas) and Houston (in Houston), and maybe even Baylor. I honestly don't see how they add anything to a media deal. Same with Tulane. They have an enrollment of ~7,000 undergrads, and are absolutely dwarfed in that market behind LSU.
If I'm GK, I'd be looking to add a flagship to go along with SDSU. IMO Kansas makes way more sense in a media deal than SMU, Rice or Tulane. That may not be the right move from a football perspective, but will literally get you the entire Kansas City market from an eyeballs perspective.
Either way, the roadmap will be drawn by the media partners, not the PAC 12 leadership.
I am not sure if you have spent a lot of time in KC but KU definitely does not get you the entire KC market. No one gives a **** about KU football in that city and that is before you run into the phenomenon of Bugeater football fan/KU basketball fan.
SMU went through some **** but I still think they are a decent bet over the long term. It is in a super nice part of Dallas (way better than Ft. Worth) and will be able to recruit with the best of them.
BerkeleyBuff
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OU and even Texas Tech are bigger in Dallas than SMU. And there's also all the pro teams competing for casual sports viewers.
KU doesnt add much in my opinion. All the big properties in the old B12 are now in the SEC or B1G. TCU, if their success continues, could be a good addition, but only time will tell. What we need is a presence again in L.A. to make the conferences total TV market more valuable. The conference should ban any games against USC and UCLA in all sports to make their travel schedule as uncomfortable as possible.
I had a team of 12 people that reported to me in KC for about 6 years. I was there 2 weels per month during that entire stretch. Nobody GAF about KU football because they have traditionally sucked. But there is not another univerisity that has the following that KU does in that city. Not Missouri, not Nebraska, not KSU. KU has the vast majority of support, and will get you way more eyeballs than SMU, Tulane, or Rice.
TCU would be a better add than some of the other suggestions in that area.
According to the Wikipedia page for SMU's football stadium, it can be expanded to 45,000 seats. If SMU was winning at the clip that TCU was before TCU joined the Big 12, you have to wonder if SMU gets that B12 invite instead of TCU.
SMU MBB had been competitive in the AAC most years and even won two regular season titles.
As for SDSU, they can talk about their recent success against the Pac-12 in football but they have not gone through the grind that is the Pac-12 conference play. That school & its fans are in for a rude awakening in the P12. Snapdragon Stadium can be expanded to 55K so there's room to grow.
I'd expect more from SDSU basketball than football at this point when it comes to P12 play. The loss of the Aztecs will be a huge blow to the MWC and that could get the MWC more serious about adding Gonzaga.
I see more room to grow from SMU than I see SDSU at this point.
As for future expansion after SDSU & SMU, I'm not sold on Rice because they let their stadium fall into disrepair where the upper deck seats are closed for safety reasons. Their arena seats about just 5K and I think they would need to build a new arena. SMU's arena seats about 7K which is pretty much the minimum in addition to Stanford's arena which seats about 7K. Rice also has a very small student body which means a smaller alumni base although a wealthy one.
Tulane does have a new football stadium but they need a new arena.
SMU MBB had been competitive in the AAC most years and even won two regular season titles.
As for SDSU, they can talk about their recent success against the Pac-12 in football but they have not gone through the grind that is the Pac-12 conference play. That school & its fans are in for a rude awakening in the P12. Snapdragon Stadium can be expanded to 55K so there's room to grow.
I'd expect more from SDSU basketball than football at this point when it comes to P12 play. The loss of the Aztecs will be a huge blow to the MWC and that could get the MWC more serious about adding Gonzaga.
I see more room to grow from SMU than I see SDSU at this point.
As for future expansion after SDSU & SMU, I'm not sold on Rice because they let their stadium fall into disrepair where the upper deck seats are closed for safety reasons. Their arena seats about just 5K and I think they would need to build a new arena. SMU's arena seats about 7K which is pretty much the minimum in addition to Stanford's arena which seats about 7K. Rice also has a very small student body which means a smaller alumni base although a wealthy one.
Tulane does have a new football stadium but they need a new arena.
Lived in H-Town a long time, still trying to remember if I ever met a Rice fan....
SMU has always been able to spend a lot of money. In 1987 they got the 'death penalty', for having paid players for years. They have avid, very rich fans who have been dying to see their glory days again. In 87 they were a school of @ 6,000, but played with the best. And, wehn you talk about $70 million, remember people were using the figure $50 million, as the cost for CU to bring in CP and Company - and we don't have the monied backers.
Sammy11
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They have fewer living alumni (60k) than stadium capacity. (75k)
They have fewer alums in Houston than Baylor. (16k vs 25k)
Their old coach David Bailiff had to have events to give a football 101 to portions of the student body to try and drum up interest.
Rice is many great things academically but they are not a football fanbase with any market penetration in Houston.
My dad was an Arky grad, so Arky came to town every other year in the old SWC. We'd go catch the Arky-Rice game at Rice Stadium, a 75,000 seat monster, never more than a third full. Rice was epically bad back then. I wasn't there, but LSU came to town once, it was 70 something to nothing at the end of the 3rd and LSU fans were chanting "we want 100".
66BUFF
FTW
Baseball fans back when they were good.
Dallas is a Texas/OU town
Houston is aggy/Texas/LSU
If there was any thought of adding another TX program and poaching the SEC or Big 12 wasn't on the table, UTSA is the strongest candidate. San Antonio is a Top 25 metro, UTSA only trails the Longhorns in terms of local support, 45k students with R1 research on the AAU path,a 72k capacity Alamodome home stadium, and plans to build a 10k capacity BB/VB arena on campus to replace the 4k Convocation Center.
They've been dominating CUSA in football the past couple years and join the AAC this season.
That is my #1 choice when it comes to TX schools. They do have plans for a 10,000 seat arena according to their draft athletics master plan. Go to page 32 for the start of the section on that arena.
I have seen plans for a football stadium seating about 50K for UTSA.
Nobody likes Brett McMurphy…. 
4 schools make jump to Power 5 Saturday. Schools that have joined new P5 conference in past 12 years & number of winning records in league play since joining current conference:
Utah 8 in 12 years
Pitt 5 in 10
TCU 5 in 11
Louisville 4 in 9
West Virginia 4 in 11
Nebraska 5 in 12
Texas A&M 3 in 11
Missouri 2 in 11
Syracuse 1 in 10
Colorado 1 in 12
Maryland 0 in 9
Rutgers 0 in 9
4 schools make jump to Power 5 Saturday. Schools that have joined new P5 conference in past 12 years & number of winning records in league play since joining current conference:
Utah 8 in 12 years
Pitt 5 in 10
TCU 5 in 11
Louisville 4 in 9
West Virginia 4 in 11
Nebraska 5 in 12
Texas A&M 3 in 11
Missouri 2 in 11
Syracuse 1 in 10
Colorado 1 in 12
Maryland 0 in 9
Rutgers 0 in 9
Sammy11
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Their TV ratings have a national sample size of 1. A 2021 game vs UTEP where they averaged 412k in a window that expects more.
They have only 10 years as a program.
Give it 20 years and maybe they'll have some brand to work with.
Markets only matter if you have leverage to force carriage fees or big ad dollars. I don't see any real argument UTSA does that.