It just formalizes the difference between P5 and Go5.
Vanderbilt et al don't really belong in P5. Why keep them in a conference where they'll never compete?
Promotion/relegation has informally happened this century with Utah moving up etc.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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Vanderbilt et al don't really belong in P5. Why keep them in a conference where they'll never compete?
Promotion/relegation has informally happened this century with Utah moving up etc.
Big Jim
WTF?
Because the great SEC teams want a cupcake conference game. Vandy will never be kicked out of SEC. Having all good teams is a bad model.
I'm totally fine with it if we were to do this as a zero-based exercise and pick the 36-64 schools that represent our highest fan engagement & potential along with a willingness to compete for a championship.
But I don't support moving programs up or down every year. I could get behind a school losing membership if they don't meet budget and facilities standards over after a period of being put on probation for failing to meet the minimum.
Yea, a yearly promotion/relegation system is not gonna happen in college football.
Better yet, just pick the 24 best teams based on recruiting and track record (once you have one) and let them play ONLY each other until there are 4 teams left….then playoff…then NC game. Completely closed league*
Teams that finish poorly, say the bottom six or eight of the 24, get sent back to their original conference and a new team thats worthy (from anywhere) replaces them.
Rinse repeat each year.
*maybe allow one exhibition game against in conference rival thats not promoted. Maybe not.
I wouldn't do it by results but by commitment & resources. Over a reasonable timeline, that eliminates fluky stuff and gets you to the actual peers.
Except that teams like Nebraska cant play ball yet have plenty of commitment, resources and support. You win out in the lower level you probably have coaching and recruiting. Only 24 teams small for a reason; that means some coaching and some quality players will end up in the lowers so they have a chance.
What you describe sounds like a club. Which is already what we have.
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Yeah B12 schedule matrix runs thru 2027.
You'd really relegate Nebraska - one of the all-time programs playing to a near-full stadium over 80k no matter the opponent and willing to spend with the elites for coaches & players - and send them down to the minors for a bad run while elevating someone like Toledo for stringing together a good run?
Are you trying to lose money and tank viewership?
The main Colorado gem in that article is that Phil apparently broke up with the P12 via text. Seems like we were checked out and not buying what Kliavkoff was selling for a while.
Of course he would.
We all would.
I mean, you've been around CU long enough I figured you would understand this by now.
1. I hate Nebraska for too many reasons to list and their pain brings me joy.
2. I only care about them as a rival because they're worthy.
Beavis
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Not that this person has indicated otherwise, but their posts about FSU fall in the category of “Here’s how FSU hopes this plays out”
ahoelsken
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Why are you so concerned about the fate of two schools who blame CU for their fate?
ahoelsken
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Here's the question with the ACC stuff-where does FSU go? I don't really see a ton of interest from the SEC or Big 10.
ahoelsken
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This sport really hasn't been affected by them not playing in a bowl in 7 years.
I don't see we can't make them.....join the FCS. They may actually win games at that level.
Maybe not to those conferences but the tv partners.
ahoelsken
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I'm not ruling out the Big 12 for them.
Why are you threatening me with a good time?
Inside UW’s breakup with the Pac-12 and the conference’s final, frantic days
At midnight on Aug. 4, there was still hope for the Pac-12. By dawn, it all fell apart. Here's a look at how the quest for TV money undid a century-old partnership.
www.seattletimes.com
NCTX
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Why is the Big 12 better?
Big Jim
WTF?
Because the football teams are worse.
It went down like we've speculated (known) on this board.
The Pac had over a year to figure out finances post-USC/UCLA. They rejected a good deal from ESPN that would have the conference together. CU couldn't reasonably wait any longer.
There is a slight effort to paint CU as the bad guys here, I think (i.e. Washington is portrayed as having a tragic and difficult decision to make, and CU simply "chased the bag") but clearly the conference was unable to get their **** together.
Do we know how CU felt about the Fall of 2022 ESPN offer? If we supported it, and other schools didn't, it would certainly explain Phil's text.
Anemic leadership across a majority of the schools exemplifies how we arrived at this moment. For too many years it was way too academic and clean noses. That led to several years of meh football. By the time some of the schools woke up it was too late. The Presidents had lost sight so badly they were shocked USC and UCLA would actually leave at all.
Allegedly all of the school Prez/Chanc types on the P12 board were originally convinced that valuation was higher and that offers would be coming “soon” at first (post LAexit). I think that Colorado got antsy first because “soon” became a refrain instead of a statement about timing. This intuition was correct since Colorado’s anemic on field product left us vulnerable to not having a seat. When we kept hearing “soon” and the B12 had been wining and dining us for months with a real deal, it became time to leave.
Fred 2
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Than what? Nothing! Pac was simply a toxic league run by idiotic presidents that had no clue how the real business world works! Definitely the ivory tower syndrome.
NCTX
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Talking about FSU not CU. Even if FSU settles for a fraction of the 572m floating around, it seems hard to make the math work if they end up in the Big 12. For whatever reason, there is the perception the Big 12 is more stable (even though they have lost more members (ACC has lost exactly one) and have lost them more recently), but I don’t think the economics are actually much if any better.
