If there were loose lips leaking this around, it seems almost impossible that a swimming dude would pick it up and all the football beat writers who are working overtime getting nothing.
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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues
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241Volcanos
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It matters to brand, whether stadiums are full or 50% capacity, and whether TV cares about you at all. If Buffs were even end of Barnett era relevant they’d have a stronger case for inclusion.
Like NATO
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How they gonnna do that averaging 15 points per game?
White_Rabbit
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Best of ACC + B12 + P12 seems great, except if SEC adds those teams like swimming guy says, then seems like the B1G would start snatching up the next few? From what I can gather from national pods, UNC and UVA are high on B1G's list. Who else would they add? UW and UO seems obvious to me, but maybe they don't need more west coast
Plenty of SEC fans will watch the Apple Cup if the stakes are high?
11/23/18 - 8 PM - 16 Washington vs. 8 Wazzu - 4.1 million viewers.
11/23/18 - 8 PM - 6 Oklahoma vs. 13 West Virginia - 5.6 million viewers
11/23/18 - 12 PM - Iowa (8-4) vs. Nebraska (4-8) - 3.7 million viewers.
A competitive Apple Cup is closer to an insignificant Big 10 game than it is to a high stakes Big 12 game.
Let's look at other "high stakes" PAC 12 games over the years. SInce 2016 the PAC 12 has a total of 21 games with more than 4 million viewers. Out of those games, 52% (11) were non-conference, 19% (4) were the PAC 12 Championship Game, and 29% (6) were PAC 12 non-championship conference games. The most viewed game every single season is against a non-conference opponent.
PAC 12 games only have national appeal when it's against a non-conference opponent or it's the PAC 12 Championship.
Yes.
Let's be honest here--College football, and football in general, is waning on the West Coast and in New England and the mid-Atlantic coast. Fewer people attend games, fewer watch on TV. Fewer kids play the game. Really, it's about to become a regional sport, limited to the states of the Confederacy and a swath of the Midwest.
This is why the Pac 12 in not a viable top-level football conference.
16.42 mother****er!
Johnny Juzang
Well-Known Member
North Carolina, Fla St, Clemson, and Virginia are negotiating to join the SEC.
FU big 10.
FU big 10.
I'm almost certainly an idiot, although I don't get laid as often as I used to, so not sure the adjective applies.
That tweet about the SEC making a play to break the ACC GoR and expand to 20 is the "may you live in interesting times" situation for CU. Opens tremendous opportunity and threat: B1G pushed to respond with both needing to determine who will own the West.
CU could be courted by 1 or both. CU could get left out and end up trying to find a 2nd rate football conference that gives the best financial stability and best situation for all of its other sports to be able to grow & compete for championships.
I don't think there's an in between for CU if the ACC breaks.
Western value:
1. SF Bay
2. Seattle
3. Phoenix
4. Denver
Portland, Las Vegas, San Diego, Kansas City & Salt Lake City are the next tier that matter.
I don't think any other metros matter on a media deal since they have significantly negative value on an overall profit-share. And after those top 4, your brand better elevate you above what your home market makes you. Oregon does that and pushes us to #5 - with a possibility of being #6 if FOX or ESPN values SF enough to see Stanford/Cal like USC/UCLA lite.
CU could be courted by 1 or both. CU could get left out and end up trying to find a 2nd rate football conference that gives the best financial stability and best situation for all of its other sports to be able to grow & compete for championships.
I don't think there's an in between for CU if the ACC breaks.
Western value:
1. SF Bay
2. Seattle
3. Phoenix
4. Denver
Portland, Las Vegas, San Diego, Kansas City & Salt Lake City are the next tier that matter.
I don't think any other metros matter on a media deal since they have significantly negative value on an overall profit-share. And after those top 4, your brand better elevate you above what your home market makes you. Oregon does that and pushes us to #5 - with a possibility of being #6 if FOX or ESPN values SF enough to see Stanford/Cal like USC/UCLA lite.
He says he thinks college football will be better but doesn’t say how. Just a hunch, ya know.
Its almost like he works for Fox Sports or something.
But, as I mentioned earlier, if the SEC goes to 20, that leaves Oregon, Washington, Miami, ND as the next 4 most valuable programs across the country and the ones that the B1G would almost assuredly be after in order for them to get to 20. So, unless each one decides to go to 24 each at some point in the future, not sure where CU fits in.
chitownbuff
Club Member
Agreed - I think an alliance between the ACC and an expanded PAC12 is our best, likely option at the moment. This feels a lot like college years’ credit card roulette when it’s down to you and one other person and neither of you can afford the bill.
“Nebraska” and “Graduates”
Seems like an oxymoron.
I don't think we have to worry about that scenario because there's no reason for ESPN to void a very favorable contract that is on their books for another 14 years.
There is no reason for ESPN to accelerate any ACC members going to the SEC.
There is no reason for ESPN to accelerate any ACC members going to the SEC.
I'm not convinced that UNC & UVA choose the SEC over the B1G.
But, yes, of the 15 ACC contracted teams there are 6-8 which are more valuable properties than CU. It would be more, but a lot of them split a market so the 2nd mover in, for example VA, becomes less valuable to add than 100% owning CO.
just a reminder I like to put out there every time we have a new round of expansion....
conferences having the same number of members (conference cardinality?) has never been a factor driving realignment in the past. I see no reason this time is any different.
conferences having the same number of members (conference cardinality?) has never been a factor driving realignment in the past. I see no reason this time is any different.
hawg1
Well-Known Member
That will cost those schools 4B+. Yes, that’s a B
hawg1
Well-Known Member
Dunno. Loose lips could be a swim coach at FSU.
Unless a UNC game on its SEC platform is worth so much more margin than a UNC game on its ACC platform that it's worth it to pay up - especially in consideration of the risk that FOX could poach UNC to its B1G platform.
In a lot of ways, this is reminding me of when HBO & Showtime tried to take over boxing. That failed, but we don't have the same "independent promoter PPV" factor at play.
Right, ok. Stats 101 was hard I guess
Step 1 Normalize the variable
Avg viewership per team that year (we'll be extremely generous to the pac 12 teams)-
Washington 2.5 mil + wazzou 750k
OU 3 mil + WVU 500k
Iowa and corn 1.5 mil each for a total of 3 mil
Step 2 Test association
The apple cup included teams who average 3.25 mil any other game (lol) and 4.7 mil for a gain of ~1.5 mil viewers
OU vs WVU avg 3.5 but got 5.7 mil viewers for a gain of 2.2 mil
Do you see where I'm going with this genius?... Using absurd numbers for the pac and realistic for NU vs Iowa (700k gain) the story is a little different. Using the real avg viewership for UW and WAZZU, lets just say it's 1.5 mil and 350k respectively, that would mean an extra 2.3 million fans tuned in for that game...I'm guessing a few of them are SEC fans. Lol, nice try
Let's put it this way, if for whatever reason the conferences are looking to eventually go to 24 teams, I think CU definitely has a spot. At 20/each, they do not.