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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

Bison said:
Compare the St Francis situation to the St Thomas MN situation where St Thomas was kicked out of their D3 conference for being too good or something like that. If you look at St Thomas' student body size, they have over 9,000 students which means they are like a 18,000 student public college which puts it in the D1 ranks. St Francis simply was too small as a school to compete at the D1 level. Guess some schools that shouldn't be D1 are being weeded out by money.
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St. Thomas wasn't kicked out. They weren't even winning their conference (MIAC) regularly in any of the major sports. Their administrators and alumni have always thought they were better than everyone else in the state not named the U. The size and structure of the school itself made it a better fit for D1 and an overinflated sense of athletic worth was the kicker that drove the move.
 
Da Lama said:
St. Thomas wasn't kicked out. They weren't even winning their conference (MIAC) regularly in any of the major sports. Their administrators and alumni have always thought they were better than everyone else in the state not named the U. The size and structure of the school itself made it a better fit for D1 and an overinflated sense of athletic worth was the kicker that drove the move.
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They’ve also got the money faucet flowing.

$85 million for a new basketball arena from just 2 donors will help their “athletic worth”.
 
Da Lama said:
St. Thomas wasn't kicked out. They weren't even winning their conference (MIAC) regularly in any of the major sports. Their administrators and alumni have always thought they were better than everyone else in the state not named the U. The size and structure of the school itself made it a better fit for D1 and an overinflated sense of athletic worth was the kicker that drove the move.
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www.espn.com

St. Thomas wins too much, kicked out of MIAC

St. Thomas was involuntarily removed from the MIAC because its dominance had upset the competitive balance in the league.
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BuffBronco said:
www.espn.com

Sources: Sacramento St. to apply for FBS status

Sacramento State plans to file an application with the NCAA this week to transition from FCS to FBS in football as an independent, sources told ESPN.
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Not Sure said:
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They are doing everything they can to take a shot at the Pac-12, or at least the MWC where they would have a natural rivalry with SJSU and an easily drivable border rivalry with Nevada.

Plus, while we don't think of Sacramento much as a large market or major city the truth is that it's larger than several NFL cities (Pittsburgh, Nashville, Cincinnati, Indianapolis, Cleveland) and is almost twice the size of the SLC metro. Just a hair behind the Portland metro and will probably overtake it by the next census. They have significant value to the G6 conferences.
 
Greg Flugar speaks again. He says he's serious with the info he shared.




His #1 source that has been the reason why he has got numerous of his previous predictions correct has just dropped new intel.

No way is the SEC going to let BOTH Miami and FSU to the BIG10. This was repeated several times as an important fact.

BIG10 presidents really want UNC and UVA as well, but it looks like they won't be getting them. They do covet Miami as well. Apparently
Miami is a bigger contributor to research than one might believe. Their AAU status they got a few years back is because of that.

so .... UNC and UVA to SEC then FSU and Clemson go as well- BIG10 gets Miami so now the ACC is falling apart and it forces the hand
for ND also going BIG10.

so this puts both the BIG10 and SEC at 20 schools each-

there's talk that Ga Tech, Duke and Stanford are all three being looked at as a 21st school for the BIG10, but GaTech in the driver seat
partly due to being in Atlanta

Personally I think 21 schools is a strange place to stop. Would they eventually expand out west to complete to 24?
Would the SEC do the same ? I have to believe the schools competing for final slots would be Kansas, Colorado, Utah, ASU, Stanford
and possibly Texas Tech or TCU. Am I missing anybody ?
 
InTheBuff said:
Personally I think 21 schools is a strange place to stop.
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3 divisions of 7 teams = 6 games.
You can add one game to each of the other divisions for 8 total conference games (SEC's likely preference), or you can go to 10 with two (one home, one away) from each of the other divisions for 10 conference games.
2 (or 4) non-conference games.


Playoff is 16 teams, SEC and B1G get 6 each.
The conference championship gets folded into the playoff: 4 teams, division winners plus a wildcard. Conference winner is a quarter finalist in the playoff.
The other part of the bracket is made up of the remaining SEC/B1G wild cards (2), plus 6 more.

Or, you say "**** the other conferences," and each conference sends 8 teams to a playoff, with the conference champions meeting in a big bowl game. Call it the "college super bowl" and enjoy the money.
 
InTheBuff said:
Greg Flugar speaks again. He says he's serious with the info he shared.




His #1 source that has been the reason why he has got numerous of his previous predictions correct has just dropped new intel.

No way is the SEC going to let BOTH Miami and FSU to the BIG10. This was repeated several times as an important fact.

BIG10 presidents really want UNC and UVA as well, but it looks like they won't be getting them. They do covet Miami as well. Apparently
Miami is a bigger contributor to research than one might believe. Their AAU status they got a few years back is because of that.

so .... UNC and UVA to SEC then FSU and Clemson go as well- BIG10 gets Miami so now the ACC is falling apart and it forces the hand
for ND also going BIG10.

so this puts both the BIG10 and SEC at 20 schools each-

there's talk that Ga Tech, Duke and Stanford are all three being looked at as a 21st school for the BIG10, but GaTech in the driver seat
partly due to being in Atlanta

Personally I think 21 schools is a strange place to stop. Would they eventually expand out west to complete to 24?
Would the SEC do the same ? I have to believe the schools competing for final slots would be Kansas, Colorado, Utah, ASU, Stanford
and possibly Texas Tech or TCU. Am I missing anybody ?
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Seems accurate. UNC & UVA are the two hottest schools in realignment. I'd say Clemson & FSU is right behind them. GT and Miami is the next duo.

Stanford-Norte Dame could be a duo for the Big Ten. Having Stanford and USC in the Big Ten means one California trip for the Fighting Irish.

The hope is that CU is paired with ASU instead of Utah being paired with ASU for the Big Ten.

The way I see things:

Big Ten gets GT, Miami, Stanford, and Norte Dame.
SEC gets UNC, UVA, FSU, and Clemson.

That will be all what happens in the next round. The good news is that CU should be close to the top for the following round.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Colorado is a better play than half those teams. Why are we so overlooked? UVA has never won dick
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Because CU’s brand has been worse than some G5 programs for the past 15-20 years and nobody currently sees CU’s flashy new brand as sustainable without our current HC.

However, these “sources” are likely from the conferences themselves, probably not the decision makers at the networks, and the networks know that CU is a platinum brand right now and going forward under Prime. Both sides have rights to us for cheap right now. I think when push comes to shove, assuming we continue winning, they will make the case to their respective P2 conferences that CU provides a top of the P2 appeal when going up against other big brands.
 
4BienemyTDs said:
Colorado is a better play than half those teams. Why are we so overlooked? UVA has never won dick
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CU hasn't won much in football the last 20 years so there's no difference between CU & UVA in that regard.

What does the state of Colorado have to offer when it comes to recruiting compared to Virginia? Same thing for North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, and Florida. You should know that answer and it doesn't favor CO at all.

CU does very well for football attendance despite five (soon to be six with that NWSL team) major pro sports teams being nearby. One problem is the perception that CO is a pro sports state and doesn't care as much for college athletics. Those proposed SEC schools do not have that problem when it comes to college athletics. If population was important, Stanford & Cal would have been in the Big Ten but those two got left out because they have a worse perception of college athletics than CU does. CU should be ahead of Stanford when it comes to Big Ten membership but academic prestige and the ability to woo Norte Dame to the Big Ten overrides that.

Not a dig at CU but would people see CU as being more superior than UNC & UVA when it came to academics? Even the SEC wants to increase their academic prestige and those two schools are a great fit for that goal. GT hasn't had their AAU member for as long as CU but it's hard to ignore what Atlanta has to offer any conference.

It seems like you do not have a good understanding of what the Big Ten and SEC want at this point. Does it really matter how good you are on paper when you are not wanted at the moment? CU's turn will come and for the time being, CU needs to focus on building itself up until that call comes.
 
InTheBuff said:


The BIG10 continues to be eyeing North Carolina as their #1 target followed by Notre Dame with Miami in third position.
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If North Carolina does leave, I'd bet they'll still play Duke in basketball once a year. Maybe they'd rotate home and home or some shvt? It would be a damn shame if that rivalry went away.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Because CU’s brand has been worse than some G5 programs for the past 15-20 years and nobody currently sees CU’s flashy new brand as sustainable without our current HC.

However, these “sources” are likely from the conferences themselves, probably not the decision makers at the networks, and the networks know that CU is a platinum brand right now and going forward under Prime. Both sides have rights to us for cheap right now. I think when push comes to shove, assuming we continue winning, they will make the case to their respective P2 conferences that CU provides a top of the P2 appeal when going up against other big brands.
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Yak--that is a great comment. Continued TV good exposure and building some sustained success is the key. It is Prime succeeding and then leaving with a good enough foundation/culture for another top-notch coach to follow in his footsteps. CU can be very appealing.

Frankly, we fell on very hard times post GB era. CU was a strong 2nd tier Big Boy producing some good/great teams in the 60's, early 70's, mid-late 80's, certainly the 90's (we were 1st tier this decade), and 2000-2005 until GB left. GB kept them mostly competitive until he departed, although the B12 South became a monster. IMO, the admins handling of the recruiting scandal with mainly our self-imposed sanctions + hiring the wrong Boise Coach (looking back we needed Peterson, not Hawk) really set the program back. Also, GB could have just stayed too long given he was such an good/established coach that after the scandal CU probably played a bit over their head in terms of the team talent decreasing some each year.
 
A few more years of continued success which establish CU as a ratings juggernaut and annual playoff contender along with a stadium overhaul and CU will be a top target when the next round arrives.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I can think of no less than five rivalries in college football alone that dwarf Duke vs UNC basketball in every measurable statistic
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If you're comparing popularity of various sports, sure. And there may be fan bases which care as much about other rivalries but none that fans care more about.

But if you go by being the #1 ratings draw in its sport, how tight the all-time record is in the series along with all-time point differential, the number of games played, the geographical proximity of the schools, and how elite both programs are - nothing is even close.
 
The Game is also the highest rated game in CFB every year, outside of the SEC/B1G CG and CFP. Michigan holds a .548 win % over Ohio State in football (not including 6 ties in that series), which is identical to UNC's win % over Duke in the series. I think both Michigan and Ohio State are both pretty elite programs and always have been. Duke/UNC has more games in their series because they play twice every year, if not more, but Ohio State vs Michigan predates UNC/Duke by 33 years. I would say the only thing that Duke/UNC has in its favor is that the schools are so close in proximity and it's an in-state rivalry which adds an extra layer.

To say, "nothing is even close" is major hyperbole.
 
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