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#Fire Coach Dorrell

The Alabaster Yak said:
Total Net Revenue from Football FY2014-FY2020 with football specific revenue and football specific Expenditures and total AD Net Revenue in parenthesis.

2014 - $11,081,351 Net Revenue from Football (-$76k total)
  • Rev - $28.4m
  • Exp - $17.3m
2015 - $11,274,065 Net Revenue from Football ($2.5m total)
  • Rev - $28.3m
  • Exp - $17m
2016 - $19,172,394 Net Revenue from Football ($2.5m total)
  • Rev - $37.5m
  • Exp - $18.3m
2017 - $21,403,391 Net Revenue from Football ($3.5m total)
  • Rev - $43.5m
  • Exp - $22.1m
2018 - $21,386,232 Net Revenue from Football (-$245k total)
  • Rev - $43.4m
  • Exp - $22.1m
2019 - $13,776,760 Net Revenue from football (-$3.m total)
  • Rev - $43.4m
  • Exp - $29.6m
2020 - $27,772,578 Net Revenue from football ($4.4m total)
  • Rev - $50.4m
  • Exp - $22.7m
2021 – (355,313) Net Revenue from football (-$17.4m total)
  • Rev - $17.1m
  • Exp - $17.5m

Even a ****ty football team having to buy out bad contracts brings in a ton of revenue and keeps the AD's P&L positive more often than not. It's absurd to suggest the AD has so poorly mismanaged its finances that there's no reason for the school itself to loan the necessary funds in order for the football program to do what's necessary to continue being profitable.

cubuffs.com

NCAA Financial Reports - University of Colorado Athletics

University of Colorado Athletics NCAA Financial Reports 2023 NCAA Financial Report 2022 NCAA Financial Report 2021 NCAA Financial Report 2020 NCAA Financial ...
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So, take out the Covid year (where the school refused to cover the shortfall while every other conference school did) and we have an athletic department that shows a net profit of $9.6MM over an 8 year period while still paying for all of the scholarships to the tune of around $15MM/Year. Sounds like some serious mismanagement of resources to me.
 
Hank said:
I looked at this more here: https://public.tableau.com/app/prof...rado.boulder.ir/viz/QualComp/AdmissionsCounts

Admission rates are roughly the same for in-state vs. out-of-state applicants. I think they have had to significantly increase out-of-state tuition to make up for the lack of funding from the state. Read an article that said Colorado is the worst state for higher-ed funding.

About one out of every three in-state students accepted goes on to enroll, while only one out of ten out-of-state students enrolls. They are definitely chasing those out-of-state dollars. Given that it is a terrible value, the out-of-state students who do enroll probably do not have any better options.
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Only speaking from personal experience, but my child had the option of CU or DU (among others, but keeping it simple here). With all the family connections to CU, and all the time we spent on campus growing up, DU was the better option.
Got a hockey natty out of the deal, to boot.
 
Colorado's higher education problem is part in parcel of CU's issues. That state has reduced public funding forever (near the bottom of state rankings for higher ed support), which in-turn has driven up the cost of tuition. Colorado has a guaranteed admission policy that says if you have a certain GPA, class ranking, and test score combination you get admitted to an in-state school, with Mines and CU having the highest minimum for guaranteed admission. That provides a stable in-state population, increasing each year with population. But the tuition rate that CU charges in-state students comes no where near the cost of their education, so the university needs to attract out of state students to pay the bills. But we can't have more than 45% out-of-state by law (and depending on how in-state is accounted for could be up to 55% out-of-state). So you have to have even higher tuition for out-of-state students. So you are forced to admit more and more marginal students across the board to pay the bills because your tuition rates limit the pool on one end and your lack of exposure (outstanding athletic success) limits the exposure on the other end.

So how do we fix it? It is going to take a holistic approach that sees the athletic department a key part of raising the profile of the university as a whole. Admissions and academics need to make allowances for the AD to build itself into a nationally marketable destination school where students can be part of a winner. That in turn in time will drive application rates higher, both in-state and out-of-state, which will drop the acceptance rate and allow for higher overall student quality. The in-state guaranteed admission would be the minimum standard for all out-of-state applicants, with allowances for all students with exceptional talents in athletics, music, or arts, that may not be academically proficient in traditional sciences, mathematics, or languages.

CU Foundation should support both the academic side and athletic side as their endowment and contributions to that endowment will grow if the university improves its reputation. The ultimate goal would be to build a an endowment that can be used to substantially reduce tuition costs for all students and especially for those exceptionally qualified.

Fortunately, in my current situation, if my oldest does go to CU in 4 more years, it will be in Engineering, which has continued as a college to do well to maintain its prestige around the country. I don't know if my youngest, who is most likely headed to the arts or a medical field would be in that same situation in 6 years.

The athletic department provides positive revenue to the university currently. It is all funny money, but the AD pays out-of-state tuition costs for its out-of-state athletes, which is well above the cost of attendance. I have never confirmed the in-state athletes, but they are a minority compared to the out-of-state students. Most of the "institutional support" comes from the student fees and in-kind transfers for facilities maintenance and use. Basically the university forces the AD to look like it is always breaking even. We don't have the alumni base and donor base to show actual cash payments back to the university or foundation that are in excess of the budget.
 
Dorrell should be fired solely based on the narrative he keeps spinning to the coach friendly reporters. He said three times that the AF game was close and winnable into the fourth quarter. The team lost by 31 points to an academy team and the differential in points, yards, defense this season are alarming. He is straight lying to people because there are no legitimate reporters to hold him accountable and challenge his comments. The lame duck SID should be fired for that as well.
 
Darth Snow said:
jesus ****ing christ who the **** cares about admissions? Just fire that ****ing fraud.
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The admissions stuff was part of an attempt to show how far the university has fallen and how that’s related to the situation with the football team. But yes, Dorrell needs to be fired and almost certainly will be. It’s just a matter of when.
I’d kind of like to see what RG would do without the restrictions PD would place around the process and eventual choice.
 
I got a survey sent to me this afternoon asking about my gameday experience at the TCU game.
Several BS questions about 'inclusion' which I was indifferent in answering.
I got down to brass tax and let my displeasure flow and in no terms told them no more money will be spent until the
cast of characters we are all pissed about are fired and or retire.
I hope everyone who gets this e-mail will let their anger flow.
 
InTheBuff said:
I got a survey sent to me this afternoon asking about my gameday experience at the TCU game.
Several BS questions about 'inclusion' which I was indifferent in answering.
I got down to brass tax and let my displeasure flow and in no terms told them no more money will be spent until the
cast of characters we are all pissed about are fired and or retire.
I hope everyone who gets this e-mail will let their anger flow.
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I gave them top marks for inclusion so they wouldn’t throw my responses away by default lol
 
InTheBuff said:
Mine weren't negative, I just ranked inclusion in the middle.
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Yeah I gave them top marks. I’m all for inclusion, I was just fuzzy on how exactly our TCU gameday experience had any inclusivity initiatives involved…. But yeah didn’t wanna risk it going straight to the garbage bin haha
 
Way more passion in this forum then the dudes making millions. To bad you guys can't help clear this **** show up. I am being serious.
 
InTheBuff said:
Mine weren't negative, I just ranked inclusion in the middle.
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I hit them with my parroted line too:

“Jeff Grimes
Dan Mullen
Tom Herman”

Everyone else should bomb them with this feedback into their survey to guarantee that specific message makes it through
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Total Net Revenue from Football FY2014-FY2020 with football specific revenue and football specific Expenditures and total AD Net Revenue in parenthesis.

2014 - $11,081,351 Net Revenue from Football (-$76k total)
  • Rev - $28.4m
  • Exp - $17.3m
2015 - $11,274,065 Net Revenue from Football ($2.5m total)
  • Rev - $28.3m
  • Exp - $17m
2016 - $19,172,394 Net Revenue from Football ($2.5m total)
  • Rev - $37.5m
  • Exp - $18.3m
2017 - $21,403,391 Net Revenue from Football ($3.5m total)
  • Rev - $43.5m
  • Exp - $22.1m
2018 - $21,386,232 Net Revenue from Football (-$245k total)
  • Rev - $43.4m
  • Exp - $22.1m
2019 - $13,776,760 Net Revenue from football (-$3.m total)
  • Rev - $43.4m
  • Exp - $29.6m
2020 - $27,772,578 Net Revenue from football ($4.4m total)
  • Rev - $50.4m
  • Exp - $22.7m
2021 – (355,313) Net Revenue from football (-$17.4m total)
  • Rev - $17.1m
  • Exp - $17.5m

Even a ****ty football team having to buy out bad contracts brings in a ton of revenue and keeps the AD's P&L positive more often than not. It's absurd to suggest the AD has so poorly mismanaged its finances that there's no reason for the school itself to loan the necessary funds in order for the football program to do what's necessary to continue being profitable.

cubuffs.com

NCAA Financial Reports - University of Colorado Athletics

University of Colorado Athletics NCAA Financial Reports 2023 NCAA Financial Report 2022 NCAA Financial Report 2021 NCAA Financial Report 2020 NCAA Financial ...
cubuffs.com cubuffs.com
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Everything’s great except for the -$17 million and -$3million in 2/3 last fiscal years.

I’ll ask again: what’s the last major school’s Athletic Department has gotten bailed out by their school’s academic endowment?
 
Da Lama said:
Watching my kids and their friends go through the process over the last 4-5 years it is undeniable that CU's admissions policies have changed. If you're from out of state and can pay full tuition/R+B with no aid - you're automically in no questions asked, no matter your GPA, SAT, etc. In state, good student, good activities record = 50/50 chance. Basically, if you are wealthy, white, a woman, and from either coast they'll give you the g'damn keys to campus. From what I hear and see CU Boulder is predominantly made up of rich white out of state kids who pull Ds, party more than study, post on Instagram, spend the family's money and will become really lousy alums some day.
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False
 
manhattanbuff said:
Everything’s great except for the -$17 million and -$3million in 2/3 last fiscal years.

I’ll ask again: what’s the last major school’s Athletic Department has gotten bailed out by their school’s academic endowment?
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www.sportico.com

College Athletic Debt Soars as Power 5 Programs Resist Scrutiny

As the costs of doing business at Power Five school soar, athletic department debt is ballooning, writes Illinois professor Michael LeRoy.
www.sportico.com www.sportico.com

That one was on the monumental debt of some ADs.

Here's some more targeted info:

frontofficesports.com

Some Universities Piling Up Millions in Deficits to Compete

Student fees and institutional support are a common revenue stream for athletic departments, even in the FBS. Rutgers and UConn took it to the next level.
frontofficesports.com frontofficesports.com


Athletic Departments’ Aid​

Football programs and athletic departments are often called the “front porch” of a university — potentially making financial support more of a marketing expense for schools.

In 2020, FBS programs received a median $8.5 million from government and school funds, according to the Knight Commission. They got a median $6.6 million from student fees.
 
What the above tells me is that just to be an average FBS athletic department, CU's AD should be getting a bit more than $15M per year from the school (gov't, student fees, direct funding) and, if we were like the average Big Ten school, servicing over $160M in debt to the tune of about $15M per year. And if needed, like Rutgers, the school would step up with over $20M extra to build up the AD.
 
Buffnik said:
www.sportico.com

College Athletic Debt Soars as Power 5 Programs Resist Scrutiny

As the costs of doing business at Power Five school soar, athletic department debt is ballooning, writes Illinois professor Michael LeRoy.
www.sportico.com www.sportico.com

That one was on the monumental debt of some ADs.

Here's some more targeted info:

frontofficesports.com

Some Universities Piling Up Millions in Deficits to Compete

Student fees and institutional support are a common revenue stream for athletic departments, even in the FBS. Rutgers and UConn took it to the next level.
frontofficesports.com frontofficesports.com


Athletic Departments’ Aid​

Football programs and athletic departments are often called the “front porch” of a university — potentially making financial support more of a marketing expense for schools.

In 2020, FBS programs received a median $8.5 million from government and school funds, according to the Knight Commission. They got a median $6.6 million from student fees.
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Courtesy of an article about Rick George's contract extension:

George’s contract includes a new incentive of $100,000 if the university eliminates the athletic fee currently being charged to undergraduate students. CU’s athletic fee of $28.50 per semester has not changed since its inception in 1980 and there is no timeline for eliminating the fee.
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CU has roughly 30K undergrads. This comes out to $1.7M annually. The median for FBS programs was nearly 4X that.

Additionally, the fact that George wanted that in his contract is alarming.

Small.

Time.
 
Buffnik said:
www.sportico.com

College Athletic Debt Soars as Power 5 Programs Resist Scrutiny

As the costs of doing business at Power Five school soar, athletic department debt is ballooning, writes Illinois professor Michael LeRoy.
www.sportico.com www.sportico.com

That one was on the monumental debt of some ADs.

Here's some more targeted info:

frontofficesports.com

Some Universities Piling Up Millions in Deficits to Compete

Student fees and institutional support are a common revenue stream for athletic departments, even in the FBS. Rutgers and UConn took it to the next level.
frontofficesports.com frontofficesports.com


Athletic Departments’ Aid​

Football programs and athletic departments are often called the “front porch” of a university — potentially making financial support more of a marketing expense for schools.

In 2020, FBS programs received a median $8.5 million from government and school funds, according to the Knight Commission. They got a median $6.6 million from student fees.
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So… none from the endowment then? BTW - the accounting from the AD linked by Tsheck shows the added fees. What these schools have done is diverted funds from other student programs, raised fees, and gave out loans. Do you think the AD has the political capital to do that at Colorado? I sure don’t.
 
Buffnik said:
What the above tells me is that just to be an average FBS athletic department, CU's AD should be getting a bit more than $15M per year from the school (gov't, student fees, direct funding) and, if we were like the average Big Ten school, servicing over $160M in debt to the tune of about $15M per year. And if needed, like Rutgers, the school would step up with over $20M extra to build up the AD.
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This is also likely bridge funding/loans until they start getting full B1G payments since they’re on the discount rate.
 
Denver_sc said:
Courtesy of an article about Rick George's contract extension:



CU has roughly 30K undergrads. This comes out to $1.7M annually. The median for FBS programs was nearly 4X that.

Additionally, the fact that George wanted that in his contract is alarming.

Small.

Time.
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If I was Saliman, I'd make all CU campuses pay student fees and give them student & alum discounts. I'd make them all Buffs and invite other CO colleges to join the CU system.

To give a comparison, Penn State has over 20 campuses. Some have athletics. They're all Nittany Lions. All part of the same alumni association. University Park is the flagship main campus, but they're all part of the same and it does a ton to build statewide support.
 
Buffnik said:
If I was Saliman, I'd make all CU campuses pay student fees and give them student & alum discounts. I'd make them all Buffs and invite other CO colleges to join the CU system.

To give a comparison, Penn State has over 20 campuses. Some have athletics. They're all Nittany Lions. All part of the same alumni association. University Park is the flagship main campus, but they're all part of the same and it does a ton to build statewide support.
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Cu boulder made the anschutz campus stop using the buffs logo. So Stoopid. Might as well be different colleges if there is no relationship between the campuses.
 
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