Forrest, Henley, Mobley, WillJeff, MTM - ALL GONE

[Shldr2Shldr]

there were obviously requirements set down both on and off the field. They were apparent to the players. The players not meeting those requirements were warned to step up or pack your bags. Apparently these 5 did not step up. Thats life. "Do or do not, there is no try"

The two on injury were probably just that. MTM has had 18 months to recover from something that at the max takes 12. Apparently something is wrong or he isn't putting in the effort. WillJeff has chronic knee issues, now he probably wasn't removed for being slow, but if he wasn't putting in effort to rehab or with his free time wasn't putting in the effort in class he was cut. Idk what happened with the remaining three but. Embree has said something along the lines of we have standards and we cannot bend them. Sucks for the borderline kids but if you have been warned and still failed to fix it I dont feel bad. Get good or get gone.

 

[MtnBuff]

Listen! Most of you clammored for a change. Shut up!!!

People, including me were concerned because the prior administration lacked discipline, constantly wavered on the standards, was soft and lacked the dedication to win at this level.

Before anything else can happen a climate of high expectations, of sacrifice for the team, of dedication has to be established. Like it or not Embree and staff are doing what they have to do to establish this climate. No different sets of rules for different players, nobody getting favored because they are staff foavorites, no resting on prior accomplishments.

This process isn't going to be easy and isn't going to be comfortable. The coaches will also certainly make some mistakes in the process and we will lose some guys who could have helped us. The problem is though that without this process the needed changes will never happen. Mediocre has become acceptable, losing has become almost comfortable, until this is changed this team will never be able to achieve what we and they want to see.

It took five painful years to get to this point, changing it isn't going to be easy or fast but is needed.

 

[Idot Buff]

Listen! Most of you clammored for a change. Shut up!!!

Hope you are not speaking to me...Go Jon.

 

[Duff Man]

Listen! Most of you clammored for a change. Shut up!!!

I never knew calling for one of the worst coaches in CU history to be fired prevented us from discussing anything about how Embree operates. Thanks for setting us straight.

 

[Highlander27]

A lot of smart ass responses in here. What I should have said, West got passed up on the depth chart, and with Parker and Nembot coming in, he'll never surpass Hartigan, Kass, Diribe or either of the freshman. I also imagine that Obi will be moved around a bit from his DT spot.

Should that qualify as "daunting depth"? No, but the fact remains is that he got passed up. Some of the guys passing him are younger. West obviously did something to step afoul of the coaching staff and is now gone. The roster moves made it such that we didn't really lose anything by it.

 

[buffaholic]

This last post has zero basis in fact.

Nembot is not ready to play according to the DL coach who recruited him. Obi is at DT and that is permanent.

 

[buffaholic]

Bottom line is I gave the last coach 100% blindfaith and I'm not going there again.

From what I'm hearing, Embree took back three scholarships that he wants to use elsewhere. Jefferson, West and Griffon's.
All worked hard and wanted to be Buffs. I'm not sure I'm on board with that.

 

[Highlander27]

This last post has zero basis in fact.

Nembot is not ready to play according to the DL coach who recruited him. Obi is at DT and that is permanent.

The only fact in all this is West is packing his bags and if we need to go out and play Nembot or Obi at DE now, guess what, they're getting the call. Whether you agree or not is irrelevant.

 

[JRK1212]

I don't understand the deal with Jefferson. He just played on Saturday and looked fine and now he's suddenly injured? Even if something was just discovered why is he no longer on the team? He has 5 months to recover from whatever he has and if it's more serious he could just redshirt. Something else must be going on here.

 

[Highlander27]

Bottom line is I gave the last coach 100% blindfaith and I'm not going there again.

From what I'm hearing, Embree took back three scholarships that he wants to use elsewhere. Jefferson, West and Griffon's.
All worked hard and wanted to be Buffs. I'm not sure I'm on board with that.

For the record, this post is STEEPED in fact. Cuz' i mean, if that were true i'm sure Coach Embo wouldn't be showing them the door. Spin on friend. You know more than the coaches, including about the players work ethic and class attendance. ha ha.

 

[buff4bcs1985]

WTF... im sick in bed for a day... and i wake up to bloody tuesday... jesus christ forrest west and willjeff?!?!?!?! wtf any rumors on why this happened?

 

[Darian3Hagan]

That's the breaks. Go Buffs!

 

[buffaholic]

Just what I heard. Stay tuned, it will come out and you can eat your words.

Who said they knew more than the coaches?

BTW, if Embo thinks this is best for the program right now, he may be right. But I know for a fact that Will wants to play, thinks he can play, and will transfer to play, turning down two free years at CU where he could have done nothing.

 

[Duff Man]

WTF... im sick in bed for a day... and i wake up to bloody tuesday... jesus christ forrest west and willjeff?!?!?!?! wtf any rumors on why this happened?

You should have just spared us all and not posted. "Bloody Tuesday"?

 

[Rraalph 3000]

Bottom line is I gave the last coach 100% blindfaith and I'm not going there again.

From what I'm hearing, Embree took back three scholarships that he wants to use elsewhere. Jefferson, West and Griffon's.
All worked hard and wanted to be Buffs. I'm not sure I'm on board with that.

If that's true, I certainly have a problem with it as this is not the NFL.....I had 0 reservations if it was a matter of them not living up to the required expectations for all other members of the team (i.e. showing up on time, meeting the conditioning requirements, being a good teammate, passing classes, showing effort on the field despite "perceived" lack of talent)

But simply pulling a scholly because the coach doesn't "like" them or doesn't "think" they're good enough is crossing an unwritten rule in collegiate sports.....that being stated as the NCAA turns more & more into the moneymaker it is, operating like it's a professional sport may not be too far down the line from being the standard

 

[Duff Man]

A lot of smart ass responses in here. What I should have said, West got passed up on the depth chart, and with Parker and Nembot coming in, he'll never surpass Hartigan, Kass, Diribe or either of the freshman. I also imagine that Obi will be moved around a bit from his DT spot.

Should that qualify as "daunting depth"? No, but the fact remains is that he got passed up. Some of the guys passing him are younger. West obviously did something to step afoul of the coaching staff and is now gone. The roster moves made it such that we didn't really lose anything by it.

Obi is going to be a DT period. You're also counting on two freshmen to contribute heavily right away. And Kasa has not exactly lit it up. West has proven he can play at this level, not sure anyone outside of Hartigan (a pure pass rushing specialist) can say the same. Explain to me how this does not severely affect the depth.

 

[Highlander27]

Just what I heard. Stay tuned, it will come out and you can eat your words.

Who said they knew more than the coaches?

BTW, if Embo thinks this is best for the program right now, he may be right. But I know for a fact that Will wants to play, thinks he can play, and will transfer to play, turning down two free years at CU where he could have done nothing.

My words are merely the actions of the coaching staff who didn't think these guys, for whatever reason, were going to cut it at CU. That's either by laziness, injury, poor attitude or whatever. Many of these coaches bleed black and gold as this is their school... i doubt they would toss quality players out on the street for the hell of it, especially if they could help CU win. That's all there is to it. You're reaching pal.

 

[Highlander27]

Obi is going to be a DT period. You're also counting on two freshmen to contribute heavily right away. And Kasa has not exactly lit it up. West has proven he can play at this level, not sure anyone outside of Hartigan (a pure pass rushing specialist) can say the same. Explain to me how this does not severely affect the depth.

We're five deep at DT right now. Obi, Pericak, Cunningham, Bonsu, and Richter who got a lot of pub and playing time over the Spring. You think if we're deeper at DT, shallow at DE we won't bump over one of the more athletic guys if we had to? You play your best 11 guys, or in this case, your best four defensive linemen. We probably wont' have to do it but it's within the realm of possibilities. After watching the way Obi has played, I think he's athletic and quick enough to play inside or outside.

Let's also not forget that that while some of you are crying in your beer over West being booted, Brown gave praise to Tony Poremba and David Goldberg for working their butt off this Spring:

"Another pair of seniors - Tony Poremba, David Goldberg - took advantage of injuries at outside linebacker/defensive end to assert themselves this spring. "Both came forward and showed us something," Brown said."

 

[JRK1212]

He's unproven, but we also have Kirk Poston who can play inside or outside.

 

[Duff Man]

We're five deep at DT right now. Obi, Pericak, Cunningham, Bonsu, and Richter who got a lot of pub and playing time over the Spring. You think if we're deeper at DT, shallow at DE we won't bump over one of the more athletic guys if we had to? You play your best 11 guys, or in this case, your best four defensive linemen. We probably wont' have to do it but it's within the realm of possibilities. After watching the way Obi has played, I think he's athletic and quick enough to play inside or outside.

Let's also not forget that that while some of you are crying in your beer over West being booted, Brown gave praise to Tony Poremba and David Goldberg for working their butt off this Spring:

"Another pair of seniors - Tony Poremba, David Goldberg - took advantage of injuries at outside linebacker/defensive end to assert themselves this spring. "Both came forward and showed us something," Brown said."

This sounds like jibberish I saw during Hawkins' time here. Every spring had stars that never did anything in the fall. Just throwing out a bunch of players that played decent during spring ball does not equal depth. You say we are "five deep" at DT and yet only two of those guys have played extensively at the college level.

And the same goes for DE. I don't give a **** if Poremba and Goldberg showed something in spring practices, I know what I have seen with West on the field when it matters.

Embree is free to do what he wants, but to argue we are anywhere near deep on the DL right now is a big stretch. I hope we can hold up and that the two true freshmen are ready to play.

 

[Darth Snow]

This sounds like jibberish I saw during Hawkins' time here. Every spring had stars that never did anything in the fall. Just throwing out a bunch of players that played decent during spring ball does not equal depth. You say we are "five deep" at DT and yet only two of those guys have played extensively at the college level.

And the same goes for DE. I don't give a **** if Poremba and Goldberg showed something in spring practices, I know what I have seen with West on the field when it matters.

Embree is free to do what he wants, but to argue we are anywhere near deep on the DL right now is a big stretch. I hope we can hold up and that the two true freshmen are ready to play.

:stupid: This is spot on. West was a proven every down contributor at the BCS level. Fact. There are no longer any proven BCS every down contributors at DE. None. Zero. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Defense is gonna be turrible this year.

 

[Daaah]

:stupid: This is spot on. West was a proven every down contributor at the BCS level. Fact. There are no longer any proven BCS every down contributors at DE. None. Zero. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Defense is gonna be turrible this year.

So is offense.

 

[Darth Snow]

So is offense.

This I do not agree with. It will not be turrible.

 

[Highlander27]

This sounds like jibberish I saw during Hawkins' time here. Every spring had stars that never did anything in the fall. Just throwing out a bunch of players that played decent during spring ball does not equal depth. You say we are "five deep" at DT and yet only two of those guys have played extensively at the college level.

And the same goes for DE. I don't give a **** if Poremba and Goldberg showed something in spring practices, I know what I have seen with West on the field when it matters.

Embree is free to do what he wants, but to argue we are anywhere near deep on the DL right now is a big stretch. I hope we can hold up and that the two true freshmen are ready to play.

You know what West can do.... except for in the areas that matter to Embree and he deemed him not responsible enough to wear the Black and Gold. As stated before, Embo wouldn't **** on his own school. He had enough cause to say the relationship wasn't worth the trouble.

And while you know what you saw on tape or whatever, the coaches disagree with your assessment. The big difference is they get paid to do it for a living so we'll all have to trust their opinion, right or wrong.

 

[Duff Man]

So is offense.

If we stay healthy, we'll be pretty good on offense. The talent and experience is there at pretty much every position. If injuries hit, then we are in trouble.

 

[Duff Man]

And while you know what you saw on tape or whatever, the coaches disagree with your assessment. The big difference is they get paid to do it for a living so we'll all have to trust their opinion, right or wrong.

I guess we'll just never be able to criticize them for anything.

 

[Darth Snow]

You know what West can do.... except for in the areas that matter to Embree and he deemed him not responsible enough to wear the Black and Gold. As stated before, Embo wouldn't **** on his own school. He had enough cause to say the relationship wasn't worth the trouble.

And while you know what you saw on tape or whatever, the coaches disagree with your assessment. The big difference is they get paid to do it for a living so we'll all have to trust their opinion, right or wrong.

I'm betting that West's dismissal had nothing to do with his on field ability. In fact, it was despite it. Would you take that bet?

 

[SanDiegoBuff]

MTM - Feel bad for the guy, but realistically, he's not coming back from his injuries. Offered a medical hardship scholarship, finish school and thrive away from football.

WJ - Doesn't matter if he WANTS to play if JE and the medical staff don't think his knees are going to cut it. Doctors and coaches probably know a lot more about his kenes than we do, and probably even WJ does, and a competitors fight can't overcome chronically bad knees, not at a speed and agility positon. Again, offered a medical hardship scholarship to finish with a degree.

As for West and Mobley, maybe a little more time with their nose in the books would have paid off for them.

Griffon is the only one without any red flags (either injury, grades or attitude) that have been raised yet, but even then, after Deehan and Thornton, he was one of what, 5 TEs that were all basically the same.

Remember, players only add depth to the roster if they're healthy AND eligible.

 

[Highlander27]

I guess we'll just never be able to criticize them for anything.

It's too early to criticize them for anything. We just finished Winter conditioning & Spring Ball. People who didn't buy in are getting run off. You're crying about it asking for them to make potential exceptions for possibly $hitheads because the guy has notched a few tackles in big 12 play. You can't expect them to make chicken **** into chicken salad overnight, they are merely playing with what they got at this point. In the meantime, i'd rather the coaches go into battle with players they trust, who can go to class and line up in the right spot even if you don't think they're worth a ****.

 

[Darth Snow]

It's too early to criticize them for anything. We just finished Winter conditioning & Spring Ball. People who didn't buy in are getting run off. You're crying about it asking for them to make potential exceptions for possibly $hitheads because the guy has notched a few tackles in big 12 play. You can't expect them to make chicken **** into chicken salad overnight, they are merely playing with what they got at this point. In the meantime, i'd rather the coaches go into battle with players they trust, who can go to class and line up in the right spot even if you don't think they're worth a ****.

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