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Game thread- Men's bball scheduled to host Northern Colorado (Boulder, Monday 12/14, 7:00 PM MT, Pac 12 Networks)
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I wouldn't have minded it if Daylen got 20 points, rough night for him. Really hope he thrives in Greeley.
Medford M.
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Not even close to being ready mentally.
toohip
Active Member
Last year I tried to point out Walton's a wash, but got too much angry push-back from the locals claiming his ACL problems are why. Granted, he's had problems when if he's healthy and playing, what happened to his alleged talent? He's too slow, got no hands, (at times I think Mills was better! ;o) Not sure how to improve him on his last year, but he's got to get tougher, meaner, heavier, and dunk when in range. He can shoot the 3, good FT%, I'm sure there are games or match-ups he might work better in, and glad this game got a chance to see everyone. UNC was not push-over in spite of the score. The Buffs were overwhelmed with confidence and didn't let up on UNC. Why is Washington coming up before the league season at Vegas?
toohip
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- I guess Kountz wanted more playing time? He'll get it UNC, and they look good. You're right, NCAA waived the transfer rule for spring,fall, winter sports due to Covid, but they're considering a permanent "one time transfer rule" where you don't have to sit out (see Horne) https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ncaa...oser-to-new-transfer-nil-rules-234836786.html
- So I tried looking up why Horne left Tulsa. He was their leading 3pt & FT shooter, and started a lot of games. He left Nebraska for Tulsa, and now CU. what's the "story" on this? He's very religious, but a great shooter, and natural. Pros?
- Buffs seemed flush with guards (maybe why Koontz left?) but glad to see Parquet back. He's a great defender, and 3 pointer.
- Haven't followed this forum/thread/Buff BB but it appears the loss of Koontz and Dombeck, gave Boyles some last minute additions? All the new freshman and Horne look really good. But Buffs will lose 7 seniors, including 3-4 starter/6th man, so hope the recruiting class of 2021 can be effective enough to showcase talents. We need some big men, with Dombeck gone (didn't look impressive) and Walton gone. Thoughts?
- I'm excited about Tristan DeSilva, if he's anything like his brother, Oscar.
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Is there a reason you insist on spelling Kountz’ name wrong? I hope you’re not intentionally doing it, because the spelling you use and the frequency of it, makes it look like you’re being highly offensive. Please stop regardless.
thank you for bringing this to our attention.
toohip
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Yeah. Thanks Rookus.
The one thing I've liked from Dallas so far this year is that he's dunked almost every time he's had a chance.
Went through the game logs and he's got 6 dunks and 2 layups, of his 10 made and 13 attempted 2 pointers. I think 3 trips to the line plus drawing another foul when grabbing offensive boards.
He's a victim of his ceiling and the flash of success he had early in Conference play his sophomore year.
Short of averaging 20 points and 10 boards I think there'd still be some "severely" disappointed with him.
Gonna help you catch up here: https://www.allbuffs.com/threads/21-wy-c-lawson-lovering-signed-to-colorado.141535/
toohip
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Thanks, I appreciate that. I've had CU Buff season tickets for over 30+ years since the sad Tom Miller ;o), and I don't get deep in the weeds like some here, but try to stay informed, and now CU is playing (TV) getting interested again. Don't think at my age (73) we'll make it in-person to games this year (we sit 2nd row, entry, below the "twins"
(. . . "Lovering" (hope I spelled that correctly ;o) looks like the player we need. Hope he pans out, we've had so many disappointments in recent 7 footers. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, I appreciate that. I've had CU Buff season tickets for over 30+ years since the sad Tom Miller ;o), and I don't get deep in the weeds like some here, but try to stay informed, and now CU is playing (TV) getting interested again. Don't think at my age (73) we'll make it in-person to games this year (we sit 2nd row, entry, below the "twins"
what is your expectation for a 7footer that has you disappointed?
toohip
Active Member
ah, I was expecting to be put on defense over Walton! My disappointment was I expected more out of him, and why not?
Well the first obvious stat is his playing time, averaging around 16 min per game, that's an indicator of someone's disappointed with him?
He's averaging 7.8 pts/3.5 reb/1 asst per game, and though he's shooting 68%, most of those are dunks.
As a highly recruited 7' senior shouldn't we expect more?
He's doing better than past years, so I think he's going to be better contributor. I'm not dissing him, just expected more, is that reasonable? (and did I spell everything OK?)
He was a lightly recruited 3 star coming off of 2 ACL injuries, who has had another ACL injury. Your expectations were not reasonable. Dallas is a nice big body with a soft touch. If he gives us 8 and 4 with some defense in the middle, he's done his job.
I'd prefer 6 & 6, but yes.
Dallas was a very high risk, high reward recruit.
If he had stayed injury free and reached his full potential he could have been a very athletic 7 footer with a lot of mobility, a variety of ways to score on the offensive end, and a guy who could protect the rim on defense while not giving up the mobility to step away from the paint and defend big guys on the outside some.
The biggest risk was that his knees wouldn't hold up and that we would end up seeing him play very little with almost no contribution.
What we got was someplace in the middle. His development and his physical abilities have been limited by his knee health and he has missed significant time and been limited in how much he can play at times.
He is our #2 big man who takes some pressure of Batey and gives opposing coaches something extra to worry about.
I think that as we get further into the season we will see Dallas coming off the bench but getting significant minutes. His stat line won't be impressive but he is capable of stepping up for a game or two and posting impressive numbers. I expect him to have at least a couple of double doubles and a couple games scoring in the 20s.
Balance that with a few games with minimal stats but even if he isn't scoring and grabbing a lot of boards he can impact a game for stretches with his size.
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toohip
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I agree. Not that this gives him an out, but this way he's less pressured, and can contribute more by having this support. The bench is amazing for the Buffs, and I hope they use this to "run" the other team to sucking for oxygen.
toohip
Active Member
I agree with everything you said. . except using the knees as an excuse for his 3-year example of performance. There are many players including Buffs, who have debilitating injuries, surgeries, etc., but come back with enough reasonable health to match, often exceed, their pre-injury performance. Walton regardless of his knees, is slow, (always the last one down court) and also slow in his reactions. That can be coached and should be.
Maybe I'm expecting too much from him? Maybe I'm frustrated with us never having a big center that stood out (Mills, etc.). But I feel using excuse of ACL problem over the course of 3 years, is too much. If he's healthy enough to play, practice, etc. he should be performing to a near-100% ability, and the results don't seem to match.
Using Mills as an example, he contributed in short, unique examples, and I think this is what we have to expect of Walton. But he was touted higher than Mills when recruited. I guess it's the expectations being disappointing rather than Walton himself? Totally agree we have some good height/big man-talent in Battey and Horne, and that takes the pressure off Walton. What ever big men we have to defend coming up, Walton can be expected to help out with out having to shoulder it all, and that's comforting. Sorry if I offend any Walton/local talent-aficionados or sound critical. I was just hoping for more performance, and why we're always a team without a big post.
The game has also changed. Not a lot of desire/need for 7ft post players at any level these days. The tradional 5 is basically a dead position, especially when you can have 6-11 players running the point these days.
dyemeduke
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May just have to agree to disagree here on some pts, but I agree w others in that you expect too much from him. I think we are seeing his 100%, and it seems to be ok. A 7 ft kid w some mobility and a shot is worth the risk, but no HS clip of Dallas showed a high, major DI prospect. He was a bit slow then, and coaching can only get him so far.
Scott may not have been a 7 fter but he wasn't good enough of a post guy for you?
Lovering next four years could be the guy you dream of, but I'm not sure why you want this big post so badly. Inside players are a must, and equivalent skill w height is better than short players. Still, the game is very fluid and perimeter oriented these days.
Ben Mills averaged 1.2 ppg and 1.1 rebounds in his career. His best, most important performance, against Kansas he had 4 points and 3 rebounds in ten minutes. His next best attribute was being a tall goofy guy in team videos that were a lot of fun. Dallas Walton scored more than double the points in his first season before injuring his knee again than Ben Mills scored in his entire 4 years. This is beyond stupid.
There are too many people that don't realize that the '90s NBA is dead and that guards - ESPECIALLY IN THE COLLEGE GAME - rule the sport.
Recruit at LEAST one high level PG every year. Period. Get good swingmen and add in a solid big every year who can rebound and play D and you're going to dance a lot more than you don't.
Recruit at LEAST one high level PG every year. Period. Get good swingmen and add in a solid big every year who can rebound and play D and you're going to dance a lot more than you don't.
Ben Mils:
Rivals rating: NR C
Scout rating: 2* PF
ESPN rating: 85 grade (High Major Prospect); #68 Center
Dallas Walton:
Rivals rating: 3*; unranked C
Scout rating:
ESPN rating: 2*-65 grade; #84 PF
247sports rating:
6 year difference there so comparing apples to oranges, but the only way he was more highly touted is if you only talked to CO Prep people.
The knees aren't an excuse, in his case they are a reason.
He has had not one but three major reconstructive knee surgeries. If you watch now they often ice or heat wrap his knees when he is on the bench. they also had altered his practice participation. He is out there playing but to say that his knees have the same strength and flexibility as before would simply be false and it is clear that he is far from being pain free.
I'm not in any way close to the situation but my view at it is that he could be medically retired if he wanted to be but is out there doing what he loves and being part of the team.
If you saw him in high school pre-injury what attracted people was a big man who fluidly moved up and down the court and had outstanding lateral movement as well.
Walton never really got a chance to build up his ratings because the injuries started IIRC early in his junior year. Mills rating is based on a guy who played through his senior season.
Walton was still looked at as a project but an intriguing one as an athletic 7 footer. Mills was excessively skinny and got easily pushed around. He also didn't have the offensive or defensive skills that a young Walton showed.
Had Dallas stayed healthy in high school I highly doubt that he would have ended up a Buff. He had a number of perennial tourney teams looking at him and highly interested. He wasn't going to be 5* or probably even a 4* but he likely would have been a high 3* guy.
I loved Mills attitude but if CU hadn't taken him he probably would have ended up at a lower D1 school in a conference that only gets their auto qualifier into the tourney each year.
jumped ship
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Before his most recent knee injury Dallas was looking freaking good (albeit inconsistent). Surprised no one has mentioned his strong performances against Zona and their very highly touted bigs.
Agree with the folks here who know bball. He is a serviceable 7 footer that doesn't have any massive liabilities now that he's built some awareness on D. The only reasonable improvement I'd like to see is adding 2-3 rebounds a game, which is just a matter of pure effort.
Agree with the folks here who know bball. He is a serviceable 7 footer that doesn't have any massive liabilities now that he's built some awareness on D. The only reasonable improvement I'd like to see is adding 2-3 rebounds a game, which is just a matter of pure effort.