Umm.. Did you read what the sackman posted?
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Hawkins or Embree? Who damaged our program more?
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Umm.. Did you read what the sackman posted?
fatbuff
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I was referring to the post that he responded to.
I remember when the DH firing got circumvented after year four. I said if I were MB, I would have resigned. You cannot be the whipping boy and gain respeoct in your profession. I still think that would have been best for MB, he certainly would have landed a job elsewhere, and he wouldn't have the stain of the last three years here. Also he would have outed the source of the problem for all to see. Anybody with half a brain would have known what was going on and MB's resignation would not have been viewed negatively by most decision makers in the business.
Expecting someone to resign when their boss rolls down a stupid order is probably too high of an expectation. A more skillful AD would have worked the alumni and donor base into an uproar that would have forced fat Phil's hand into firing Zen Boy and hiring a decent coach. This is where Bohn failed, and a more forceful AD would have succeeded.
Turn the page, over and done with.
I didn't expect MB to do it, I am just saying that is what I would have done, and if he had done it, he would be better off. There is a huge difference between having your boss tell you to do something you disagree with and having your boss dictate essential policy, guaranteed to fail, and leaving you holding the bag. In the latter, you walk, the former, you swallow your pride and say yes sir. In the end, MB still got ****canned. Might as well go on your own terms and not look like a windsock.
You have to remember who hired Bohn, Dr. Phil. He was hired in part because he knew the limitations that Dr. Phil wanted to operate under and agreed to do so. When he tried to go around those limitations Dr. Phil shut him down.
Had Bohn been the type to make Dr. Phil uncomfortable he would never have been hired in the first place.
What happened to the program over the past decade was not an accident. The people at the top set the priorities. I don't think they expected things to get as bad as they did but excellence was never on their list of priorities.
Bohn, Hawkins extra years, Embree, are all results of the priorities set from above.
Had Bohn been the type to make Dr. Phil uncomfortable he would never have been hired in the first place.
What happened to the program over the past decade was not an accident. The people at the top set the priorities. I don't think they expected things to get as bad as they did but excellence was never on their list of priorities.
Bohn, Hawkins extra years, Embree, are all results of the priorities set from above.
Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.
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Bufffan68
Club Member
Love that pic. I'm sure RG will give his boss his due respect, but he knows what he wants and will get it. Dr. Phil sucks and is ultimately responsible for what happens in Boulder.
I like ADs who actually talk to a potential head coach instead of rubber stamping a consultant recommendation.
DiggerBuffs
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I don't agree with slider much, but when I do, I drink a XX Equis.
Truth be told, Mike Bohn was a laughing stock to CU student athletes as well. He makes for a great politician in kissing babies, giving high fives and getting people excited but was worthless in doing what an AD has to do in this day and age, raise money and win. For all the college basketball love he gets, let's remember he hired Tad because UNC had a great year and unlike the home run hire he whiffed on, Tad was an easy slam dunk hire.
He toed the company line and had he done what an AD with a backbone would do, we wouldn't have had Year 5 with Hawkins. I honestly think we would have hired McElwain that off-season and even though I want to punch Sparkles in the face, he's one damn good coach. Instead we played the easy let's bring back the past. Oh well, we have MacIntyre. He's not the snake charmer that McElwain is but he can also coach, now he needs to add wins and P5 level high impact recruits.
I think that is redundant, or triple X
Dos Equis
XX
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DiggerBuffs
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It is partially redundant or its their new beer that is sexual Tres Equis
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pwbuffan
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I agree 100% with this post.
Certainly Bohn is hard to defend, but the situation with Gary wasn't as glorious as a "conference championship and bowl game" make it sound. That team collapsed and Gary had to be fired. Sometimes things change. And I'm pretty sure that Colorado was the toughest AD job in the country after the scandal and the lack of support from the University for the program.
DiStephano is the culprit.
DiStephano wasn't even Chancellor until 2009. We had Bud Peterson in that role who was actually considered pretty athletics friendly
While McIntyre might not be able to make Colorado successful, I wouldn't clump him in with the "garbage" hires of Hawk and Embree. He atleast gets his players to actually play hard he just might not be able to recruit out of the position he was given. I wouldn't consider that garbage.
1 conference win in 2 seasons is garbage. True story
Well that isn't really analyzing the situation but OK.
Oh ok
Results do matter. And there are results that show McIntyre is not in the garbage class Embree and Hawk were in. That doesn't mean I said he was a good or even average coach, just not "garbage".
WRONG AGAIN!
It was Gary Barnett. He told us to lower our expectations with respect to being competitive in the Big 12 and then followed though with his self-fulfilling declaration by quitting on recruiting, failing to supervise recruits' official visits( leading to the Lisa Simpson incident and lawsuit) then followed up with brilliant unforced errors during the fake scandal (Hnaida comments, recruits being taken to the Bus Stop strip joint) and then pulling his passive/aggressive BS, refusing DiStephano's offer to lighten up on recruiting restrictions.
Not to mention his debacles in coaching: Klatt- blowing his RS year for 4 hand-offs in a blow-out win against Baylor, leaving him in too long in blow-out losses to Miami and UT; then keeping his sh*tty coordinators Watson and Okruch, around far too long because BFF!; and finally refusing to accept an incentive-laden contract that was on the table for his taking, prior to his 138-33 mark in a string of losses, which did lead to his dismissal.