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HCMM
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SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I look forward to the day when the program has been rebuilt to the point we are "almost" beating Pac 12 teams too.
Deleted member 807
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Setting expectations based on the SJSU rebuild falls apart for me, unless MacIntyre turns Sefo into David Fales.
1989Buff
62-36
...or until he brings in someone like that. Which is what we expect him to do as he brings in more talented people (especially at the LOS).
If you aren't setting expectations based on the coach's track record, what are you setting them based on? The point of using that example is that a guy who can take a team with MWC talent and almost beat a CHAMPIONSHIP Pac-12 team, on the road, is exactly the challenge we are facing. How is this not relevant?
Because you cannot use the same exact blueprint at CU that was used at SJSU.
Yup. Easier conference is easier.
1989Buff
62-36
Well, I certainly agree that this is not a template/blueprint sort of thing. You always have to adapt to conditions. But are we suggesting that there's some other coach out there experienced with the various specific challenges that CU faces (and which we all know so well)? It's a unique situation...you pick people who seem to be able to do more with less and hope they can do so again. Because doing more with less is the challenge we face until we can equalize the talent differences with the rest of the conference.
And I think therein lies the rub. I am not sure I buy that he is adapting to different conditions, not the least of which is that recruiting at the P5 level is a completely different ballgame. Hopefully it changes going forward.
1989Buff
62-36
Yes, that accounts for his 11-2 record, but it doesn't explain why he could play more talented teams tougher. Stanford and BYU (who they beat) were not part of that easier conference.
Lukeasaurus
Well-Known Member
I'm just at a loss as to what we (CU) should even do if MM doesn't work out. We have gone through too many coaches and the turn over is just as harmful as retention it seems. My main concern is recruiting, talent covers up a lot. It's a rare rare thing for a team to win on coaching alone and I am no longer certain how much I can blame MM for this or not, or what he could do to get recruits here. To get a kid to come to CU is a tough sell now for anyone unless you are a big name coach. One thing I wonder with MM is what his pitch looks like, he's straight forward and honest, so I'm wondering if he's sitting in front of the kids and their families saying, "This is a great place, but rebuilding. We are not going to playing for championships." It seems almost a fact that both Embree and the Hawk were throwing around the word Championship. That got us some 4 stars with high hope and a bit of naivety
1989Buff
62-36
Were we assuming he would drop a top 20 recruiting class on us right away? I guess I am wondering if our expectation level is consistent with conditions. If we got Butch Davis, do people think he was going to already have a bunch of better players to show for it? We all know how this goes, don't we? Get a few diamonds in the rough, add a win or two, get a better player or two based on the better record, then translate THAT into a better record, then translate THAT into some better recruits, etc.
The challenge right now is to see how this coach responds to THIS year. What adjustments does he make? I love Jon Embree as a person, but I didn't see him as a particularly flexible person in terms of adapting to conditions. Hawk was just clueless (the fact that no one is considering either of those guys as a head coach again shows what was exposed during their tenures) but no one doubts that HCMM is a good coach. What we don't yet know is if he can be a good coach at CU. Heck, at this point, we don't yet know if ANYONE can be a good coach at CU right now.
Maybe we can interest Saban. A good retirement home in the Rockies could be the bait...:lol:
Here's where I'm at:
I think MacIntyre is a competent coach who will build a foundation of running things like a program should run things. He'll get the roster balanced. He'll bring S&C into the modern era. He'll put the academic support systems into place. He'll run well-organized practices at a pace in line with modern football. He'll provide good coaching and game plans representative of real football.
Can he get the dynamic players and innovative coordinators to win in the Pac-12? I have no idea.
But I do believe that after a couple years we'll have a solid organization with great internal support mechanisms and 1st class facilities. With that, CU can attract a large pool of damn good HC, Coordinator and Assistant candidates who will believe that CU has the things in place to make winning a very real possibility. That wasn't the case when MacIntyre was hired. A job at CU was seen as a "career killer" in the coaching profession so what we attracted is a guy who had just turned around things at a place that was an even bigger "career killer" job.
I'm going to support MacIntyre and hope for the best. He took a big risk on CU when he could have very easily returned to SJSU for one more year with his senior NFL-ready QB, had another bowl season, and landed what people would have seen as a much better job than CU. Let's not forget, we were in a position where even guys coaching at places like Utah State didn't want the CU job.
I think MacIntyre is a competent coach who will build a foundation of running things like a program should run things. He'll get the roster balanced. He'll bring S&C into the modern era. He'll put the academic support systems into place. He'll run well-organized practices at a pace in line with modern football. He'll provide good coaching and game plans representative of real football.
Can he get the dynamic players and innovative coordinators to win in the Pac-12? I have no idea.
But I do believe that after a couple years we'll have a solid organization with great internal support mechanisms and 1st class facilities. With that, CU can attract a large pool of damn good HC, Coordinator and Assistant candidates who will believe that CU has the things in place to make winning a very real possibility. That wasn't the case when MacIntyre was hired. A job at CU was seen as a "career killer" in the coaching profession so what we attracted is a guy who had just turned around things at a place that was an even bigger "career killer" job.
I'm going to support MacIntyre and hope for the best. He took a big risk on CU when he could have very easily returned to SJSU for one more year with his senior NFL-ready QB, had another bowl season, and landed what people would have seen as a much better job than CU. Let's not forget, we were in a position where even guys coaching at places like Utah State didn't want the CU job.
1989Buff
62-36
...and a lot of attrition (which helps explain some of the holes we see now at some positions...).
somebody
Well-Known Member
lol at the OP, the team talent level is not good, depth non-existent. that doesn't explain losing to CSU, ever, but this is one game. also, can't blame coach for going with the staff that got him there - last year they kind of got a pass, I think, but he obviously has to evaluate as time goes on. not thrilled with the recruiting so far - incremental improvement, but it's pretty tough getting the more talented kids to jump into the hole with you. point is, the jury's still out on Mike MacIntyre.
Enough with the strawman of Top 20 classes. Absolutely no one (and I actually mean no one) expects that level of recruiting right now. We are recruiting at the very bottom of our conference, the very bottom. It is okay to expect something closer to Top 45 than Top 75.
1989Buff
62-36
My Buff heart wants to agree with you. My CU-educated head wonders though. If you were a football playing kid looking at schools in the Pac-12, is there any school in our conference that a kid wouldn't choose over us right now? Cal is a toss up...But even WSU and Utah are probably easier sells than CU right now (and even thinking that crushes me...but it's honest).
True enough.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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If MacIntyre doesn't work out - they will have to go to the coordinator ranks for their next coach.
Deleted member 807
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Resume's don't win games. Players do.
MacIntyre has Foles to thank, in part, for his success at SJSU.
While he brought a bunch of coaches (and Gilliam) with him from the Spartans, he sure didn't bring along an obvious NFL QB talent to lead the offense.
My expectations for last night was based on the 2013 game against CSU. It was amazing how in last year's game, the Buffs played crisp and dominated the Rams everywhere except special teams. CSU's team, going into the game, looked better last year. Grayson + Bibbs + experienced O-Line versus a bunch of noobs on the O-Line and some gimpy transfer.
Last night was disappointing because the 2013 team started out better than the 2014 edition. Crowley was flagged too much. This year's team did not have 4 quarters of football in them.
I miss Fat Mac from last year.
The SJSU story got MM the job. Now that he's on CU's payroll, it's just water under the bridge. My expectations for MM are based on what he does for the BnG.
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Too early to say with young linemen.
So we're going by the other guys. Our starting QB is a true sophomore, Fields is a true frosh, Gillam and Chido are sophs. Now, maybe you don't think they're talented. That's fine. It's a matter of opinion. But they and other young players are starting. It's a sophomore and freshman dominated team - not just in terms of raw numbers but also in terms of who is playing. Even if you don't personally see them as talented, you have to at least acknowledge that they're better than the players that they're replacing.
Biggest issue right now is the recruiting from Hawkins' last year and the Embree recruiting. Too many holes to start and then too much attrition.
The linemen I agree. Gillam is either hurt, but is probably not going to meet expectations based off of last year.
Prich masked a lot of our flaws.
My problem is these guys are going to be seniors one day and they'll have a losers mentality from all of the losing. We will need to have better and younger players in place. Some may have their head in the game, but apathy will be abound.
That apathy translates itself to working out and studying the play book to giving up plays early.
Prich masked a lot of our flaws.
My problem is these guys are going to be seniors one day and they'll have a losers mentality from all of the losing. We will need to have better and younger players in place. Some may have their head in the game, but apathy will be abound.
That apathy translates itself to working out and studying the play book to giving up plays early.
Valid fear. And that's one of the big things that MacIntyre will be evaluated on. If he loses the locker room and this team doesn't claw its way to solid seasons in 2015 and 2016 when the current youth are vets then he will have failed his most important task. I mean, it's not like these guys were recruited with the message of "come to CU and win a January bowl your freshman year". They were recruited on: pieces are in place with a QB who will be starting the next 3 years, a captain of the defense who was a freshman all-american last year, and a facilities project that will be in place in 2015. They were recruited on the vision of what's being built, so if HCMM can't keep them here and engaged for that journey then he will have failed. Simple as that.
I don't think he will though. He seems to have loyalty to a fault.
buffwings
Club Member
That was one things that was Hackins undoing.
Was that loyalty as the driver on that or was it that he literally had no relationships outside Boise State and UC Davis in the coaching profession?