They are also guaranteed a game in CA every year with USC and UCLA. I dont see what Stanford brings either
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If it's a Pac-12 / Big 12 merger, what would be the best 16-20 teams?
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If Stanford gets an invite I will be so confused about what the big 10 wants lol.
I also don't discount the possibility of a western conference for everything but football and football being independents with a scheduling alliance (like the old eastern independents when the Big East first formed). Of course, that crashed and burned.
Even if it is an independent CU football team that is part of a conference that consists of UA, ASU, Utah, BYU, Utah State, Wyoming, CSU, AFA, and UNM? Maybe NMSU & UTEP too?
Basketball could be awesome in that case. One can dream right?
SINKRATZ
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And let’s be honest, how important is that Stanford game to ND anyway? Do Irish fans circle that date on the calendar? Stanford fans (such as they are) sure don’t.
Michigan and Notre Dame, however, should play every single year. I don’t understand why that annual series ended. I know they’ve played a couple recently, but I looked forward to watching that game every year.
Assuming they are guaranteed to a game against both every year, sure. But with a road game against Stanford and USC/UCLA every other year they are guaranteed a game in both NoCal and SoCal. Although I would think that a game in SoCal every year would be sufficient since I'm guessing that's where the vast majority of the high school talent comes from.
When speaking to ND fans, USC is their football rival.
Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, Purdue, Boston College and Navy are all in that next category of traditional rivals but not as important as an "every year" opponent.
They like that they mix it up and also have history with programs like Texas, Miami, Penn State, etc.
Good because those teams would be guaranteed to never be on TV when they play in their grassy **** tundra of nothingness
So ND would get a guaranteed game in California every year. Plus they could uphold their bull**** fake image of only playing "elite academic" institutions
They seem to have some kind of a footprint there in the Bay Area.
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Not sure what any of that has to do with ND wanting Stanford in the BIG.They seem to have some kind of a footprint there in the Bay Area.
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Because Stanford is in the Bay Area and they’d probably make that a demand that they played once in the Bay Area and once in LA every year. I would if I was drawing alums and new students from there.
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They don’t need Stanford to be in the BIG to play them, they aren’t in the same conference now and play every year. This idea that somehow ND would insist on Stanford joins them in the BIG is nonsense.
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This is why they have never, and probably will never, join a conference in football. They value their independence too much. They have their NBC contract, which is locked in until 2025, and they can schedule whomever they want.
True. ND most likely isnt gonna join anyways.
I've been thinking way too much about this.
Here's a first stab at it
Pac-12 selections:
1. Washington
2. Oregon
3. Stanford
4. Cal
5. Arizona
6. Arizona State
7. Utah
8. Colorado
Locks down all footprint states while doubling down in the huge Bay Area media market and the AZ market which is growing like nowhere else but GA. I take UA, not just ASU, due to the name brand (even it's mostly in hoops) because this conference needs cache. WSU & OSU get left behind because they don't add markets or prestige.
Big 12 selections:
1. Baylor
2. Houston
3. TCU
4. Texas Tech
5. Oklahoma State
6. Kansas
7. BYU
8. Iowa State
Ideally, Cinci, UCF, and Houston wouldn't be joining the Big 12 but I don't see that ending without a major legal battle, something the new conference won't want to deal with. Stanford and Cal to the Big 10 would be best for CU. Neither of those schools give a crap about football and that would leave room for Oregon State and Washington State and the Big 12 as is plus the four new members, a 20-team conference. WSU's fb revenue is similar to Stanford's and Cal's football revenue is less than OSU. Lol, Cal might as well be funded by their swimming and diving team. What's best for CU would be WSU and OSU, not Cal Stanford.
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Stanford is far worse in that regard ^^
The Big 10 and SEC will make their buck, if not by picking up Oregon, ND, and Washington then Kansas, UNC, or Duke. OU, ND, and Washington can afford to wait and see. For our sake, we better hope they're swayed by a PAC & Big 12 basketball conference. People forget how much money the tournament makes for the NCAA, a sizable portion which is then returned to the conferences based on 6 year rolling performance
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Wrong.
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SeanMSan
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The games that I’ve watched being played at the Rose Bowl have been pretty bare as well.
SINKRATZ
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The Rose Bowl, for all its history, is a pretty terrible college football stadium outside the Bowl game. It’s almost 30 miles from UCLA’s campus so it’s an effort to get people there. It’s about as far from campus as Empower Field is from Boulder.
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That puts it into better perspective for me. I knew it was off campus, but didn’t realize it was that far.
About 30 miles from Westwood to Pasadena across LA traffic.
How come Colorado, Utah. Arizona and ASU are meeting today with Big 12?
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I meant if we were ranking all the teams records etc, we'd be left out. But we do have a fairly large media market and a geographic footprint that makes sense and a history of success my great grandpa remembers...LOL. Of course, geography means nothing anymore...it's about the money...imagine that...
Which set-up would you prefer?
I like the third one.
That's the best option for us IMO.
Like the third option too.
Colorado passed Minnesota to become #21 in population and is growing 2x-6x as fast as the states in front of it for those within 1M of CO (WI, MO, MD, IN, TN, MA). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_population
Az & WA are the next states on the list, both with double digit growth from 2010-2021.
Denver, likewise, is a growing Top 20 metro.
State flagship in that metro with an attractive research institution profile and P5 level facilities is attractive.
CU's problem isn't that the package isn't attractive. It is. CU is more valuable than many current B1G and SEC members. Our problem is that we're on the outside looking in and we're not attractive enough to take a revenue share while increasing the value of the revenue shares for the 16 teams already inside. Very few schools (maybe only Notre Dame) have enough juice to overcome that math.
Az & WA are the next states on the list, both with double digit growth from 2010-2021.
Denver, likewise, is a growing Top 20 metro.
State flagship in that metro with an attractive research institution profile and P5 level facilities is attractive.
CU's problem isn't that the package isn't attractive. It is. CU is more valuable than many current B1G and SEC members. Our problem is that we're on the outside looking in and we're not attractive enough to take a revenue share while increasing the value of the revenue shares for the 16 teams already inside. Very few schools (maybe only Notre Dame) have enough juice to overcome that math.
A couple thoughts...
1. Option 3 is cool and all but splitting a $500m(??) TV deal 24 ways (or maybe some programs would get more than others) is probably not sustainable, as that's $21m/school. That conference would need a $1B/year deal to be legitimate, and to even be remotely competitive with the other two, it'd have to be closer to $2B, which isn't happening.
2. Option 1 would be the best. 16 teams, Oregon and Washington included
3. One consistent thing I'm noticing on Twitter from fans other programs, writers and other media types is that CU is neither being mentioned as a great addition to a conference OR as a candidate to be left out completely. Basically, most people believe CU has a place among the second tier programs, which is encouraging. There's also a WSJ article out there that claimed 10 teams have reached out to Kevin Warren about B1G admission and a few media types have speculated that CU is one of them.