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If universities cut Varsity sports and go Club for most offerings, what should CU offer as Varsity with scholarships and NIL?

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$20.5M budget to pay athletes.

It's a football school, so that's going to stay and take 75% of the money.

What is the mix of Varsity sports that would provide the best mix of year-round offerings that have a chance of competing for championships with focus & commitment?

Being able to draw a crowd and/or corporate sponsors is also a factor?

With this, I guess we also have to assume that all sports that are currently NCAA Varsity will remain so with enough schools keeping them as such (though I think that's questionable for XC and Ski).

Here's mine:

1. Football
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2 & 3. Men's & Women's Basketball
4. Women's Soccer
5. Women's Lacrosse
6. Women's Volleyball
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7 & 8. XC & Ski if they remain NCAA Varsity
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T&F and Women's Tennis go Club.
Men's and Women's Golf go Club.
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I wouldn't be opposed to maximizing the 3 sports complexes, either, by adding Men's Soccer and Men's Lacrosse.

Folsom = Football
Keg = Basketball & maybe Women's Volleyball survives
Prentup = Fall for Soccer / Spring for Lacrosse

Everything else is a Club sport.
 
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I hope it doesn't come to this and I think the tone and tenor of the messaging from CU suggests that they don't want to have to do this.

if it does, then I would break it down as follows:

1. football, of course.
2. women's bb. we have a far better chance to be a top program than in men's bb.
3. ski teams. already I think well endowed and such.

that's it.
 
I hope it doesn't come to this and I think the tone and tenor of the messaging from CU suggests that they don't want to have to do this.

if it does, then I would break it down as follows:

1. football, of course.
2. women's bb. we have a far better chance to be a top program than in men's bb.
3. ski teams. already I think well endowed and such.

that's it.
Can boosters for a Club sport endow tuition assistance for participants so that they aren't university scholarships tied to the House Settlement requirement that the university pays them for representing the university as a varsity athlete?

That could be an answer.
 
I hope it doesn't come to this and I think the tone and tenor of the messaging from CU suggests that they don't want to have to do this.

if it does, then I would break it down as follows:

1. football, of course.
2. women's bb. we have a far better chance to be a top program than in men's bb.
3. ski teams. already I think well endowed and such.

that's it.
Despite the fact that they have signaled that they aren't willing to maintain a competitive budget I think men's basketball is a prominent enough sport that they would have to maintain it. Agree with you on WBB.

Skiing is going to end up as a club sport either way. Other than a few programs it isn't important enough to survive as a varsity sport for enough schools to stay at a varsity level.

XC is cheap to run and CU has a national presence in it. Can see those who influence the schools athletic decisions pushing to make sure it stays.

And in 20 years the way things are going we may not even have college sports as we know them now. It may be that outside of football and BB everything is club with the big revenue sports only loosely affilitated with the school but run as a professional enterprise.
 
Buffs Nation,

United States District Court Judge Claudia Wilken recently approved the In re College Athlete NIL Litigation (commonly referred to as “The House Case” antitrust settlement), which will forever alter college sports. While the changes may seem drastic and sudden to those just learning about the settlement, we’ve been preparing for this eventuality for nearly a year and I believe we’ve positioned CU Athletics to be successful in this new era of college athletics. That said, we will also be more reliant on your support than ever before.

For CU, the settlement impacts us, moving forward, in three major areas:

Revenue Sharing
For the first time, the Settlement, and subsequent NCAA rule changes, allows athletic departments to directly compensate student-athletes for their Name, Image, and Likeness (“NIL”) rights up to $20.5 million per institution each year. Each CU sport program will have a revenue-share budget that is proportional to the revenue that sport generates, but all of our student-athletes will be able to participate in revenue-sharing to some degree if they choose. Each student-athlete will be given the opportunity to enter into a licensing agreement with CU Athletics. While athletic departments are not required to compensate student-athletes up to the cap, in order to remain competitive, it is our intention to fully meet the $20.5 million responsibility.

Third-Party NIL
In addition to compensation provided directly by athletic departments, the Settlement allows student-athletes to continue to enter into third-party NIL agreements with businesses, who can use student-athletes to enhance their brands. A new national clearinghouse has been created to review third party NIL agreements to evaluate the range of compensation and validity of the business purpose.

I look forward to sharing more about the innovative initiatives we’re working on, but in the meantime, businesses can still directly support our student-athletes and that is crucial for the long-term success of our programs. If you own a business or are a decision maker in your company, we need your support in engaging in third-party NIL agreements with our student-athletes.

Roster Limits
The settlement has also replaced scholarship limits with roster limits, which has guided us in updating roster sizes for all of our sports. Our approach is to be open minded while fulfilling our responsibilities as outlined by the settlement and mandated by Title IX. The NCAA is permitting departments to potentially grandfather roster spots that had been removed, something CU will explore on a case-by-case basis.

There is no doubt this settlement will create challenges for our department and our student-athletes, but I know we’re prepared to meet these challenges head-on and to continue to provide a world-class experience for every Buff. If you want to join us, I’d encourage you to give to the Buff Club or if you have a business, reach out to our NIL department to explore ways in which CU student-athletes can enhance your brand, including registering with the Buffs NIL Exchange. For more information on the House settlement and how it impacts CU, we’ve also created an FAQ page .

Together, we are truly Buffs United!

Go Buffs!

Rick
 
Here's the FAQ page linked in RG's letter:


Q: What is “The Settlement”?
A:
The Settlement is a $2.8 billion antitrust class action settlement that resolves In re College Athlete NIL Litigation (a consolidation of House v. National Collegiate Athletic Association and Carter v. National Collegiate Athletic Association) and Hubbard v. National Collegiate Athletic Association as approved by the United States District Court for the Northern District of California. Although the settlement officially includes all three antitrust suits brought against the NCAA, it’s commonly referred to as just “The House Case”


Q: What does the Settlement mean for CU?
A
: The Settlement enables athletic departments, like CU’s, to share its revenue with student-athletes, via direct compensation, in exchange for a license to use their Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) rights. The Settlement has created a cap of $20.5 million per university each year that can be paid to student-athletes. These funds are separate from, and in addition to, the benefits CU already provides student-athletes like tuition, meals, room & board, health care, etc.



Q: Why is the annual compensation cap set at $20.5 million?
A
: $20.5 million is 22% of the average revenue generated by all institutions (plus the University of Notre Dame) within the ‘Power Five’ conferences - the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC. This cap is set to increase by 4% each school year and will be recalibrated every three years. It’s up to each school to determine how much to spend within the cap and how to divide up their cap dollars amongst sport programs.



Q: Does every NCAA school have to participate in revenue sharing?
A:
Only institutions named as defendant conferences (ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC) in the Settlement are required to participate in revenue sharing. Participation is permissive for all other conferences.



Q: Will CU share its revenue up to the $20.5 million cap?

A: Yes, it is our intention to distribute the maximum allotted compensation to student-athletes each year.



Q: Is this additional money coming from the University or student tuition?
A:
Revenue sharing funds will be paid out of the Department of Athletics budget and not from University tuition or state/federal funding. This is why support from CU fans is more vital than ever to ensuring our student-athletes have the resources needed to succeed.



Q: How will revenue be distributed?
A: The Settlement does not dictate how an institution must disburse revenue sharing funds, so methodology and execution will vary between schools. CU Athletics will use a revenue-based, unbiased and nondiscriminatory model in which the programs that generate the most revenue will receive the majority of the revenue-sharing. Based on this budget, the sport program determines the amount of compensation each student-athlete receives. The student-athlete will, then, be offered a licensing agreement.



Q: Will every CU student-athlete sign a licensing agreement?
A:
The compensation amount and term length will vary, but every CU student-athlete, regardless of sport, will have an opportunity to participate in revenue-sharing via an institutional licensing agreement.



Q: Does this mean student-athletes are now CU employees and can be cut if they don’t perform?
A: No. A revenue sharing licensing agreement is not tied to athletic performance or results. It enables the Athletic Department to use a student-athlete’s NIL rights to market and promote individual sports, the Athletic Department, and the University. Student-athletes will still be required to remain academically and athletically eligible in order to compete.



Q: How will CU Athletics use the student-athletes’ NIL Rights?
A:
CU Athletics will compensate student-athletes for a license to include their name, image and likeness in all of the marketing, promotion and publicity activities our fans are used to. This includes team posters, social media features, in-venue videos as well as a number of appearances such as Buff Belles, the Pearl Street Stampede, and team autograph sessions.



Q: How does revenue sharing compensation impact athletic scholarships?
A:
Student-athletes will continue to sign institutional Financial Aid Agreements, at an amount determined by the sport program. This aid covers things like tuition, fees, room and board. Financial Aid Agreements exist separately from, and are governed by different rules than, the new licensing agreements that student-athletes will sign.



Q: Is CU cutting any sports?
A:
No.



Q: Is CU cutting scholarships for any sports? If so, which sports and why?
A:
The House settlement will replace scholarship limits with roster limits. We have been evaluating our rosters in order to best meet the roster limit requirements outlined in the agreement. Some of our Olympic sports will be impacted with roster reductions. All decisions regarding roster sizes are dictated by Title IX requirements.



Q: Will there be “Walk-Ons” anymore?
A:
Some CU sport programs will be able to have non-scholarship student-athletes participating on their team if they are within that sport’s roster limit.



Q: What about former student-athletes?
A:
A significant piece of the Settlement is back damages to be paid by the NCAA to former student-athletes who competed from 2016-2024. To learn more about this part of the Settlement, visit collegeathletecompensation.com


Q: Can student-athletes still engage in NIL deals on their own?
A:
Yes. In addition to a student-athlete’s institutional licensing agreement, they are still able to engage in individual NIL deals with third parties. These deals are now subject to review and approval through a national clearinghouse, which requires the third party to disclose their association to the University, prove a valid business purpose and provide payment within a fair range of compensation. A student-athlete could face eligibility ramifications for accepting a deal that is not approved by the Clearinghouse.



Q: When a student-athlete has their own NIL deal, does that count towards CU’s revenue sharing cap?
A:
No. When a student-athlete earns compensation through an individual NIL deal with a third party, these funds are considered ‘above cap’ and do not impact the student-athlete’s licensing agreement with CU nor count towards CU’s ‘spending’ within the $20.5 million annual limit.



Q: What’s happening to Collectives?
A:
Collectives (booster groups that support a specific institution through engaging in NIL deals only with those student-athletes) may still exist throughout the country. Just like any third party, though, the deals a Collective offers to student-athletes will be subject to scrutiny via national clearinghouse. As part of the clearinghouse process, a Collective will have to disclose their association to the University and prove that their entity has a valid business purpose (beyond just student-athlete NIL deals).


Here at CU, in order to increase efficiency and oversight, we have brought the responsibilities previously undertaken by Collectives in-house.


Q: How do businesses get involved with CU student-athletes?
A:
The NIL Office within CU Athletics educates third parties, operates the Buffs NIL Exchange and helps facilitate NIL deals between businesses and student-athletes. For more information or if you’d like to get involved, email: BuffsNIL@colorado.edu
 
My answer may upset some, but outside of football, I think you invest into sports where the school has had success, may have some advantage/fan interest, and probably involves less players. We are all in on football, so balance that out with smaller sports that have had either team or individual success, and focus on a Women's sport. A women's sport having success makes CU both more appealing and helps with any title IX concerns. This is where I would go:

1. Ski team
2. Cross Country + Track (only long distance events/Steeplechase)--they train in CO for a reason.
3. I would maybe take a flier on Men's Golf, if they feel the program is truly on a sustained upswing. I.E.--they really like Roy Edward's building potential to compete on a national stage, thus will invest on his behalf. Golf involves less players.
4. Women's soccer is interesting since so many great players come out of our state. Some blue-chips will go elsewhere (perhaps straight to the national team), however if CO seems deep in women's soccer talent, so this might be a decent strategy that could yield results. The coaching costs or not nearly as high as basketball, however it is a large roster. Also, it seems that Women's soccer draws well in this State. If CU became Top-10 in the Country, I could see substantial fan interest and media coverage, which is great exposure for the school.

Sorry for Men's Hoops, but I think it will be tough sledding with or without Tad. If Tad departs, to be competitive would require substantial coaching and massive NIL investments, if they expect to compete regularly for NCAA tourney bids. Fact is, B12 is a tough hoops conference. Women's hoops is intriguing, J.R. Payne has done a good job, however I'm not sure how close CU is to any top tier or whether it can be sustained. If CU feels great about JR and she will stay, then they could invest here. However, another factor here is renovating the Foam Dome. Women's Volleyball is here as well. In WV, I think that it is just more popular in certain regions than in Colorado.
 
My answer may upset some, but outside of football, I think you invest into sports where the school has had success, may have some advantage/fan interest, and probably involves less players. We are all in on football, so balance that out with smaller sports that have had either team or individual success, and focus on a Women's sport. A women's sport having success makes CU both more appealing and helps with any title IX concerns. This is where I would go:

1. Ski team
2. Cross Country + Track (only long distance events/Steeplechase)--they train in CO for a reason.
3. I would maybe take a flier on Men's Golf, if they feel the program is truly on a sustained upswing. I.E.--they really like Roy Edward's building potential to compete on a national stage, thus will invest on his behalf. Golf involves less players.
4. Women's soccer is interesting since so many great players come out of our state. Some blue-chips will go elsewhere (perhaps straight to the national team), however if CO seems deep in women's soccer talent, so this might be a decent strategy that could yield results. The coaching costs or not nearly as high as basketball, however it is a large roster. Also, it seems that Women's soccer draws well in this State. If CU became Top-10 in the Country, I could see substantial fan interest and media coverage, which is great exposure for the school.

Sorry for Men's Hoops, but I think it will be tough sledding with or without Tad. If Tad departs, to be competitive would require substantial coaching and massive NIL investments, if they expect to compete regularly for NCAA tourney bids. Fact is, B12 is a tough hoops conference. Women's hoops is intriguing, J.R. Payne has done a good job, however I'm not sure how close CU is to any top tier or whether it can be sustained. If CU feels great about JR and she will stay, then they could invest here. However, another factor here is renovating the Foam Dome. Women's Volleyball is here as well. In WV, I think that it is just more popular in certain regions than in Colorado.
Colorado, the state and the university are strongly associated with skiing. That said I don't know how much the ski team does for the university in terms of developing interest and generating donations and other revenues that it wouldn't as a club sport.

The other issue is that there has been some question even prior to all the re-alignments and NIL issues about if skiing can remain an NCAA varsity level sport.

A quick look showed that as of right now their are a total of 11 Division 1 schools with ski programs, one of which is alpine only. Add 7 Division II schools (two are single discipline,) and 11 Division III or other (Colorado Mountain College,) of which six are single discipline. This means that nationally a total of 29 schools have some level of NCAA ski program.

Skiing is expensive requiring extensive travel (with travel to, and stays in expensive resort areas,) as well as expensive equipment, training sites, etc.

Also there seems to be a movement towards schools having some responsibility for health expenses as a result of college athletics for a period of time after the student-athlete has finished school. Skiing involves some expensive injuries.

In contrast there is a separate organization, CU-Boulder is a member, that is outside of the NCAA for skiing and snowboarding, the USCSA, which has about 180 member schools. Locally CSU, USAFA, Wyoming, Mesa, Western, Ft. Lewis, and Mines are all members.

Outside of the revenue sports, CU is best known for distance running and skiing with national championships in both. It's hard though to see skiing remaining a viable NCAA sport, especially as schools are forced to make decisions regarding sports and budgets in the future. New Mexico, which had a relatively successful program dropped their's in recent years due to budget and New Mexico is a strong skiing state.
 
College sports will collapse except for football. The players and their agents will gobble up all the money forcing ADs to cut other sports. MBB survives for awhile. Then women will sue, win another title ix case causing football to have share.

Some programs close their AD and go fully club unable make the money work during downturns.
 
College sports will collapse except for football. The players and their agents will gobble up all the money forcing ADs to cut other sports. MBB survives for awhile. Then women will sue, win another title ix case causing football to have share.

Some programs close their AD and go fully club unable make the money work during downturns.
Or, finally figuring out that they can't and don't want to compete with the cadre of big money schools (mostly now in the current SEC and B1G plus a few B12 and ACC schools plus ND) the majority of colleges and universities decide that things weren't that back under the old system.

They manage to put together a group of legislators and get a bill passed through that allows them to return to something similar to before with a facade of amatuerism, student-athletes getting college cost plus a small living allowance, limited transfers, etc.

This essentially leaves the big money to the limited number of big schools but lets the rest return to a system they can function in.

Just as with anti-trust exemptions for major professional sports leagues congress has the authority to do this. Most states have at least one major school and multiple minor ones that would benefit from this so it would get pushed through. If it happens while MAGA is still in power they might even modify the Ttile IX calculations.
 
Maybe this is how it goes. They're the only sports that broadcasters care about.
Forgot to add. ESPN creates a new network called the club that broadcasts club sports from across the nation 24x7. Viewership sets record lows for sporting events, losing out to the professional bowling tour.
 
Forgot to add. ESPN creates a new network called the club that broadcasts club sports from across the nation 24x7. Viewership sets record lows for sporting events, losing out to the professional bowling tour.
Great idea that is a proven concept. NBC's Olympic channel and Pac-12 Networks did so well. There's a market, especially if you can tap into the Asia-Pacific market. - Larry Scott (probably)
 
I hope it doesn't come to this and I think the tone and tenor of the messaging from CU suggests that they don't want to have to do this.

if it does, then I would break it down as follows:

1. football, of course.
2. women's bb. we have a far better chance to be a top program than in men's bb.
3. ski teams. already I think well endowed and such.

that's it.

half baked boo GIF
 
Great idea that is a proven concept. NBC's Olympic channel and Pac-12 Networks did so well. There's a market, especially if you can tap into the Asia-Pacific market. - Larry Scott (probably)
If it actually had competent management it might work. Programming cost would be low and there are always people who will watch "their" school compete. You could get great ratings for Nebraska women bowling, Oklahoma rodeo, Baylor non-cosentual contact, Wisconsin . . well just about any game that involves drinking beer, Arizona State bikini volleyball, etc.
 
I think you keep football and both basketball programs. They're the three biggest moneymakers.....and I'd think they'd eat up at least 80-85% of the NIL budget for lack of a better term. Then I'd think skiing and CC would stay if it came to that.

I got the vibe that Rick doesn't want to have to cut anything unless he absolutely has to.
 
The thing that will change RG's calculus and probably all other ADs is going to be the inevitable Title IX lawsuits. As soon as there is a ruling that it is inequitable that male scholarship athletes are receiving more money from the university than female athletes, it's over. At that point, there's probably no other option than to sell and privatize FB & BB while only offering club sports.
 
I ready to shut down college sports. What is happening is professional sports. Be done. I won't donate any money to CU for this and have told RG this. Not that he cares because I am not a big donor.

Pretending this is amateur sports is a joke. It's not.

I think athletes that's don't perform well should be fired. Outright fired as any other state employee can be fired.
 
I think you keep football and both basketball programs. They're the three biggest moneymakers.....and I'd think they'd eat up at least 80-85% of the NIL budget for lack of a better term. Then I'd think skiing and CC would stay if it came to that.

I got the vibe that Rick doesn't want to have to cut anything unless he absolutely has to.
Football or men’s hoops could eat up 100% of the budget in a heart beat and will have to if you want either of those to be competitive. So choose one and find ways to make sure there is still insane amounts of nil money or become a bottom feeder.
 
The thing that will change RG's calculus and probably all other ADs is going to be the inevitable Title IX lawsuits. As soon as there is a ruling that it is inequitable that male scholarship athletes are receiving more money from the university than female athletes, it's over. At that point, there's probably no other option than to sell and privatize FB & BB while only offering club sports.
That is Alexa try what has already started to occur.
 
I don't follow collegiate running, but CU's long history as a perennial Cross Country NC competitor would seem to be strong justification to keep it.
 
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I ready to shut down college sports. What is happening is professional sports. Be done. I won't donate any money to CU for this and have told RG this. Not that he cares because I am not a big donor.

Pretending this is amateur sports is a joke. It's not.

I think athletes that's don't perform well should be fired. Outright fired as any other state employee can be fired.
It hasn’t been amateur sports since at least the sixties. I still remember the cars and stereo systems that football players from the poorest of poor neighborhoods drove when I was at CU. We all knew they were getting paid from one source or another and in one way or another (thanks for all the free drinks at the James that some football players got me). Unfortunately, what is likely is that most sports and in particular most women’s sports are relegated to club. Once the big three are privatized then I’d suspect all other sports go club. No scholarships, no big travel budgets. No improved fields. No need to spend money anywhere and no title nine issues. The only way the school spends money on those club sports is ear marked donations. Thus in some ways once the dust settles your donations to the club sports programs will have a more meaningful impact.
 
It hasn’t been amateur sports since at least the sixties. I still remember the cars and stereo systems that football players from the poorest of poor neighborhoods drove when I was at CU. We all knew they were getting paid from one source or another and in one way or another (thanks for all the free drinks at the James that some football players got me). Unfortunately, what is likely is that most sports and in particular most women’s sports are relegated to club. Once the big three are privatized then I’d suspect all other sports go club. No scholarships, no big travel budgets. No improved fields. No need to spend money anywhere and no title nine issues. The only way the school spends money on those club sports is ear marked donations. Thus in some ways once the dust settles your donations to the club sports programs will have a more meaningful impact.
I just realized that it wouldn't have to be Club. The NCAA bylaws will need to change, though, so that varsity sports can be sponsored as D3 with only the broadcast sports (fb & bb) remaining under D1 rules and subject to the House settlement.
 
If there was a way to support volleyball away from NIL, I would consider that.

I know about car stereos etc have been going on forever. But I don't think players have been getting millions in cash forever. I know stuff gets bought for players in DIII.

The pitcher from Texas Tech got an extra million for the College Softball World Series championship series of 3 games. They lost and fans aren't happy with that. They thought they paid her to win the national championship.

That's what I don't like. $$$ going to players puts big expectations and targets on their backs. I did not like RG's letter. Cutting roster sizes in Olympic sports is going to hurt. Walk on's won't get many opportunities and some kids turned those in to scholarships for a year or two.

We already are seeing it with track and field with eliminating everything except cross country and distance running. The field part of track and field matters. Those kids got told they don't matter to Colorado. The Malones got told they don't matter to CU. This is wrong and has RG's blessing.
 
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