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Is CU as much of a rebuilding project as we think?

Buffnik

Buffnik

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I know, I know... 7 straight losing seasons, coming off 1-11, statistics that put the team close to last across the board, tons of recent blowout losses, etc., etc.

But bear with me.

Embree and other football guys close to the program feel really good about the young talent on the team.

Those freshmen and sophomores will be sophomores and juniors next year.

Some exciting talent from the 2012 class greyshirted and will be joining in the spring along with a fully healthy Paul Richardson.

Might a coach look at this job and think that 2013 is positioned to be much improved and have confidence that he can both finish the 2013 recruiting class strongly while also pulling in a great 2014 class on the back of new coach excitement, a facilities announcement, and improved W/L results?

I'm thinking that CU may be positioned similarly to how OU was when Stoops took that job. Not "poised for a national title", but "poised for a similar degree of fast improvement" that could launch long-term success.

Thoughts?
 
I definitely see the argument here, and truly hope this is the case moving forward over the next few years. That being said, it is definitely the glass half full version, but one I'm willing to get on board with! :thumbsup:
 
I've been doing some thinking on this too. I tend to agree. The O-Line should be largely intact, lots of experience from freshmen, some good grayshirts coming in, all of which will get the added benefit of a spring practice.

If we bring in a quality staff and good schemes I think CU can be much improved in 2013.

BTW - bcs promised to rep me. Pay up. Golazo!!!!!:thumbsup:
 
I think this is dead on Nik, if the greyshirts do enroll, and I think there are some questions there. This could be a team that at the very minimum is competitive, beats the teams they are supposed to, and maybe pulls of a surprise.
 
I believe there is a good foundation. The right guy can turn it around quickly. I believe that.
 
NashBuff said:
John Blake was a very good recruiter...he wasn't a good coach just like JE.
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absinthe said:
No it actually means he was doing exactly the terrible job we chronicled.
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How so? One of the biggest points chronicled was how JE actually was not a very good recruiter in the little time he had....This argument was made with a ton of facts and recruiting class rankings, etc. by Nik and others on this site?

And now there is an argument that those kids he recruited are all talented now?
 
Buffnik said:
I know, I know... 7 straight losing seasons, coming off 1-11, statistics that put the team close to last across the board, tons of recent blowout losses, etc., etc.

But bear with me.

Embree and other football guys close to the program feel really good about the young talent on the team.

Those freshmen and sophomores will be sophomores and juniors next year.

Some exciting talent from the 2012 class greyshirted and will be joining in the spring along with a fully healthy Paul Richardson.

Might a coach look at this job and think that 2013 is positioned to be much improved and have confidence that he can both finish the 2013 recruiting class strongly while also pulling in a great 2014 class on the back of new coach excitement, a facilities announcement, and improved W/L results?

I'm thinking that CU may be positioned similarly to how OU was when Stoops took that job. Not "poised for a national title", but "poised for a similar degree of fast improvement" that could launch long-term success.

Thoughts?
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He pumped a lot of sunshine that didn't come to fruition. I'm skeptical. Plus new coach, new system. Three year turnaround minimum with a good coach, new facilities and admin support. Turnaround equals finishing in the top 25.
 
If Shane Dillon lives up to the hype and a lot of the better guys like Richardson don't transfer, I could see us being competitive in the Pac-12 and a possible bowl team with the right staff.
 
Rraalph 3000 said:
How so? One of the biggest points chronicled was how JE actually was not a very good recruiter in the little time he had....This argument was made with a ton of facts and recruiting class rankings, etc. by Nik and others on this site?

And now there is an argument that those kids he recruited are all talented now?
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Good point Rraalph, but I think we were most concerned about the upcoming class.

Having said that, I'm remaining consistent with my message. Our talent still leaves something to be desired.
 
Unleash Hell said:
If Shane Dillon lives up to the hype and a lot of the better guys like Richardson don't transfer, I could see us being competitive in the Pac-12 and a possible bowl team with the right staff.
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I'm not biting on the bowl-game play action just yet.
 
It's a MASSIVE rebuild. Hell, 2 wins and only getting blown out, say, 3 times would be a giant leap forward.

Still gonna be counting on a lot of freshmen, including at QB. At least I hope we have a frosh QB starting next year because I've seen enough of the other guys.
 
fwbuff said:
It's a MASSIVE rebuild. Hell, 2 wins and only getting blown out, say, 3 times would be a giant leap forward.

Still gonna be counting on a lot of freshmen, including at QB. At least I hope we have a frosh QB starting next year because I've seen enough of the other guys.
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2 wins next year would still be a disappointment. After all, we do play CSU and some fricking FCS school.
 
fwbuff said:
It's a MASSIVE rebuild. Hell, 2 wins and only getting blown out, say, 3 times would be a giant leap forward.

Still gonna be counting on a lot of freshmen, including at QB. At least I hope we have a frosh QB starting next year because I've seen enough of the other guys.
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There was enough talent on this team to win 3, maybe 5 games. I think a decent coach can get that out of them right away. It's not that big jump to make.
 
I have wondered how different our offense would have looked with PRich and JT at WR. I think that would have really opened things up for the running game and given the QBs much more time to throw because teams would have had to double at least PRich and still worry about the Thomas boys. If they all get on the same page, I do think the offense could be greatly improved right out of the gate.
 
Rraalph 3000 said:
You do realize that making this argument means that JE actually wasn't doing as bad a job as you chronicled?
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Not at all. My argument was always that I thought the worst-case scenario would be that Embree would improve the program's culture and bring in good talent. I expected that after 3 or 4 years we'd know whether he could get the on-field results and that either way we'd be better off for his time here.

Let me summarize my full argument. The results were so horrifically bad in 2012 that this decision timeline needed to be accelerated. 2013 recruits were not as highly regarded as 2012, some of the best were dropping CU for other offers, and 2014 did not look promising at all. Further, the failure of coordination, scheme and making effective adjustments called into serious question whether Embree was ready to take advantage of the opportunity. Finally, since Embree was replacing at least 1 coordinator and all schemes for next year, he was admitting that a complete re-set was needed. CU has an opportunity to take full advantage of the good work Embree has done by getting a new coach right now and stocking additional talent with more seasoned team, staff & gameday management. If we miss that opportunity by sticking with Embree, we're making a much riskier decision that is much more likely to put CU football into another long-term rebuild situation.
 
I think I know what nik is up to here. And I like it. Let's change the narrative about CU Football. Instead of continuing to surround the program with a doom and gloom shadow, let's talk up the positives - it will only help us to land a top-tier coach. Focusing on the negative simply ensures that we will be seen as a negative destination for a new coach.

Yes, I do think the table is nearly set for a new coaching staff to come in and turn in a very strong performance.
 
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