J-Fly Bye Bye?

[B1Buff]

There is no reason for the AD to personally slight a player like this, regardless of how you feel it will impact that player's life. I think it will be significant.

I, like many others, took loans to go to college. I also had parents helping me pay my living expenses. The fact is, we don't know these players' financial backgrounds, and going to college for a year not on scholarship may not be an option for them and their families. I certainly know that during my time at CU, federal loans were not nearly enough to cover tuition and living expenses. Not even close. What if the player's family is unable or unwilling to contribute to his education and living costs? If they don't want to take loans or can't qualify for them? I find it extremely difficult to imagine it would be possible for someone to hold a full time or near full time job, go to college as a full time student, and play football all at once.

The fact is, there is a decent chance that not being able to go to college on scholarship means he wouldn't be able to go to college at all. Is that an appropriate reaction to someone transfering away from your football program? Absolutely not.

Grant the kid a release with the caveat that he can't play in the big12 and call it a day.

He made the choice on his own

 

[SINKRATZ]

For free ? You are kidding, right ?

Uh, yeah FREE. How many checks did he write for tuition, rent, books, meals, special tutors??

Zero. Free

 

[chipwich]

Uh, yeah FREE. How many checks did he write for tuition, rent, books, meals, special tutors??

Zero. Free

You really have no idea how much work and effort these guys put in to play D-1 football. The tuition,housing,etc.. the players get pales in comparison to the revenue a college football program generates.

You do know that Josh played though last season despite having 2 separated shoulders.

 

[SINKRATZ]

You really have no idea how much work and effort these guys put in to play D-1 football. The tuition,housing,etc.. the players get pales in comparison to the revenue a college football program generates.

You do know that Josh played though last season despite having 2 separated shoulders.

They work very, very hard, but the fact remains they're getting a free ride to play a game that they enjoy.

He didn't play with 2 separated shoulders because he would lose his scholarship otherwise - plenty of guys get injured and can't play, he played because he loves playing.

If you gave these D1 players the option to keep their scholarship, but leave the football team, how many would do it? Less than 5%?

 

[sackman]

I think it is pretty clear that they are limiting the release to USC because USC is the one school he is interested in where he has very little chance of getting a scholarship offer. That is too much to be coincidence.

It is also extremely tasteless, IMO, to **** with a young man's future to prove a point. It is clear that CU is not working out for Josh, and I suspect, as I'm sure many of you do as well, the reason has nothing to do with his hip hop aspirations.

By limiting his release to USC only, Bohn is effectively attempting to kill his football career and, potentially, his ability to get a college degree. Basically, he could be ruining Josh's entire future. Is this what we want our AD doing? Look beyond the program, it's just a ****ty thing to do to another person, and I'm shocked that any of you support it.

Oh, please.

If this is all about getting a degree in rap, then Josh shouldn't have any issues with it at all. But that's not the case, is it? He's appealing the ruling to some kind of academic board. It's clear to me that there's a lot more to the story than what is being let out. What that is I'm not sure, but I'm certain that there's more to the story. I suspect the rap thing is a ruse to get an easy out, and Bohn called him on it. Good for Bohn. Bohn ain't running a charity here. Josh Smith is, in my opinion, a talented football player who would continue to grow here. He's decided this isn't the place for him. Fine. But if you're going to do that, you need to be prepared to face the consequences of your actions.

 

[somebody]

Class is a two-way street. Is it classy to walk out on your teammates?

College is a learning experience. One of the things you should be learning that there are consequences for your actions. The University made a commitment to him, and he made a commitment to the University. Now he wants to break that commitment. The school never went to him and said "hey, Josh, we think we'd be better off if you went somewhere else". This was all his doing, and he needs to accept responsibility for his actions. I think it's fully within the school's rights to try to salvage as much out of the situation as possible.

Ballenger flashbacks keep returning...

 

[Duff Man]

Ballenger flashbacks keep returning...

Great comparison. Could you enlighten the board how the two situations are even remotely similar, other than the fact both players did not want to be in Boulder anymore?

 

[The Guest]

Very true. Why ASU is out is an interesting question.

Clothesline to McBride.

I wouldn't lift a finger to help that school (well...maybe one), and my wife graduated from ASU. I'd hold a grudge if I were Coach Hawkins.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Oh, please.

If this is all about getting a degree in rap, then Josh shouldn't have any issues with it at all. But that's not the case, is it? He's appealing the ruling to some kind of academic board. It's clear to me that there's a lot more to the story than what is being let out. What that is I'm not sure, but I'm certain that there's more to the story. I suspect the rap thing is a ruse to get an easy out, and Bohn called him on it. Good for Bohn. Bohn ain't running a charity here. Josh Smith is, in my opinion, a talented football player who would continue to grow here. He's decided this isn't the place for him. Fine. But if you're going to do that, you need to be prepared to face the consequences of your actions.

There wasn't nearly this much drama with Ballenger.
But then again Ballenger didn't see the same playing time as Josh.
Ballenger wanted to play basketball, not produce hip hop.
Ballenger wasn't Darrell Scott's uncle.

This drama puts a lot of pressure on the rest of the team. It's too bad this has to be such a distraction. I feel for Darrell, who is caught up in this by blood and circumstance. I also recognize that every other player on the team needs to go into a bunker mentality while this drama plays out. It's got to be hard on the team to be thinking about all this transfer nonsense and biting their tounges instead of working the 7 on 7 drills and studying the playbook.

 

[rodrigo]

Ballenger wasn't Darrell Scott's uncle.

Plausible alternative numero uno.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Plausible alternative numero uno.

Does anyone for a moment suspect that Darrell Scott is the mastermind behind all of this transfer drama?

Darrell was pretty good about playing up the NLOI drama between CU and Texas.

Maybe I'm a pollyanna. But if Darrell is anything other than a harmless bystander in Josh's transfer journey, then I'm buying it hook, line and sinker.

 

[Duff Man]

Uh.... what?

 

[B1Buff]

Does anyone for a moment suspect that Darrell Scott is the mastermind behind all of this transfer drama?

Darrell was pretty good about playing up the NLOI drama between CU and Texas.

Maybe I'm a pollyanna. But if Darrell is anything other than a harmless bystander in Josh's transfer journey, then I'm buying it hook, line and sinker.

...:wtf:...ridiculous!

 

[SINKRATZ]

Great comparison. Could you enlighten the board how the two situations are even remotely similar, other than the fact both players did not want to be in Boulder anymore?

Without knowing Ballenger's situation it's hard to speculate, but they are different people and maybe had different circumstances.

Maybe CU helped hook Ballenger up playing hoops back in Idaho and since that was all he wanted to do, it didn't become a big controversy. The fact that Josh and CU are are at odds here is why it's big news. If Matt was happy with CU's proposed solution, that could explain why it never escalated. This is all speculation on my part, but none of us knows enough about the situation to assume they should be handled exactly the same.

 

[Rraalph 3000]

I'll tell you one thing....anyone with a decent PR background should be sending in the resume's as our public relations and control of what leaks to the media is downright embarrassing.

 

[CUwhit21]

Without knowing Ballenger's situation it's hard to speculate, but they are different people and maybe had different circumstances.

Maybe CU helped hook Ballenger up playing hoops back in Idaho and since that was all he wanted to do, it didn't become a big controversy. The fact that Josh and CU are are at odds here is why it's big news. If Matt was happy with CU's proposed solution, that could explain why it never escalated. This is all speculation on my part, but none of us knows enough about the situation to assume they should be handled exactly the same.

So I guess Matt's Dad didn't explicitly say one or the other (on rivals), but his argument was there is no reason not to release Josh to any school other then future OOC opponents. I imagine he would've mentioned a restriction on where Matt was allowed to transfer had he been given one. But, you're right, if Matt wanted to return to Idaho the whole time, then it probably wasn't an issue regardless.

 

[Duff Man]

Without knowing Ballenger's situation it's hard to speculate, but they are different people and maybe had different circumstances.

Maybe CU helped hook Ballenger up playing hoops back in Idaho and since that was all he wanted to do, it didn't become a big controversy. The fact that Josh and CU are are at odds here is why it's big news. If Matt was happy with CU's proposed solution, that could explain why it never escalated. This is all speculation on my part, but none of us knows enough about the situation to assume they should be handled exactly the same.

zbuff has weird habit of calling out Ballenger. I guess I don't get the point.

 

[leftybuff]

I'll tell you one thing....anyone with a decent PR background should be sending in the resume's as our public relations and control of what leaks to the media is downright embarrassing.

CU has always lacked the PR savvy. Remember Bitsy and her term of endearment remark, or the "The old boys club" speech she and lapdog Byyny gave? I wouldn't let those two speak for my kid's lemonade stand...

 

[somebody]

Great comparison. Could you enlighten the board how the two situations are even remotely similar, other than the fact both players did not want to be in Boulder anymore?

Sure, that's pretty easy to see. Both players signed on the bottom line and were in good standing with the team. Personal circustances differ, but why is Josh being held more accountable? That makes no sense.

zbuff has weird habit of calling out Ballenger. I guess I don't get the point.

I'm not continuing to call him out - just pointing out that they aren't being treated the same, either here or by Bohn.

 

[chipwich]

:sucks:

 

[Lt.Col.FrankSlade]

Sure, that's pretty easy to see. Both players signed on the bottom line and were in good standing with the team. Personal circustances differ, but why is Josh being held more accountable? That makes no sense.



I'm not continuing to call him out - just pointing out that they aren't being treated the same, either here or by Bohn.

Situations very different.

Ballenger not starting, not expected to see the field -- wants to play. Asks to transfer to be able to play basketball, I believe.

Smith is starting, sees the field all the time -- says he wants to transfer for "academic reasons."

Josh Smith's story = very fishy, IMO.

 

[aik]

Maybe Bohn can change the restriction so that Josh only be allowed to play WR and not on special teams. Then let him transfer anywhere he wants.

 

[somebody]

Situations very different.

Ballenger not starting, not expected to see the field -- wants to play. Asks to transfer to be able to play basketball, I believe.

Smith is starting, sees the field all the time -- says he wants to transfer for "academic reasons."

Josh Smith's story = very fishy, IMO.

Ummm, not necessarily that different. I agree Josh's story is fishy, and think his lack of WR time due to his lack of playbook knowledge and/or execution plus seeing all those guys trotted out during the spring game on the return team is what really led to this. So yeah, playing time is part of both guys' decisions.

 

[prime teets]

Ummm, not necessarily that different. I agree Josh's story is fishy, and think his lack of WR time due to his lack of playbook knowledge and/or execution plus seeing all those guys trotted out during the spring game on the return team is what really led to this. So yeah, playing time is part of both guys' decisions.

quite the contrary, actually. you don't know why josh left.

before you even ask me. get a seven day free trial to rivals (or you might already have an account) and sift through the 14 threads titled j fly or josh smith and jdub925 will explain.

 

[Junction]

Maybe Bohn is just trying to make sure J-Fly doesn't end up on a team we'll be playing in the regular season or in a bowl game...:huh:

This is a really strange one. Sacky's point about possible tampering makes some sense to me, especially if Josh has a relationship with a QB there who could be passing messages from their scumbag coach to Josh. But if that's the case, why not make simply exclude ASU? Restricting it to USC seems odd. I think they did make some late contact with him after he committed to CU, but frankly his chances of playing much there seem kind of slim... :huh: It all seems kind of punitive, but of all the players to jack around that way, why one with a nephew still on the team, who just happens to be the biggest recruit your coach has ever landed???

Have to suspect there is some missing information on this one that would make it all make sense....

 

[DBT]

I'm on Bohn's side on this. Josh pulled a bull**** move on CU. I'd also bet that Bohn and Hawk know something about why Josh is really leaving and aren't buying into it. The Erickson theory or something similar sounds really feasible. It is also feasible that they found out Josh had been shopping himself around and are sending a strong message. If this had been a case of a kid just being homesick and not happy where he was, I'd expect he'd be given a full release. Hawk and Bohn know something.

 

[Hugegroove]

Unless J-fly is standing next to Bohn or Hawk in a press conference somewhere spilling his guts, we'll never know for sure what really brought this on.

 

[DBT]

Unless J-fly is standing next to Bohn or Hawk in a press conference somewhere spilling his guts, we'll never know for sure what really brought this on.

Oh I don't know about that. I'm sure there are guys on or close to the team that already know the truth. Someone will talk.

 

[somebody]

quite the contrary, actually. you don't know why josh left.

before you even ask me. get a seven day free trial to rivals (or you might already have an account) and sift through the 14 threads titled j fly or josh smith and jdub925 will explain.

...and neither do you. I think it's funny that you think you know what's going on because you read some threads on rivals. At least in my post I said I think, not I know, that PT has something to do with it, and I still do.

 

[prime teets]

...and neither do you. I think it's funny that you think you know what's going on because you read some threads on rivals. At least in my post I said I think, not I know, that PT has something to do with it, and I still do.

yeah some threads on rivals have posters who are "in the know" and their track record speaks for it, thats why people pay for it (wow!). and you said "So yeah, playing time is part of both guys' decisions." i'm not going to argue with you, think believe know what you want. have a good night z.