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Lookalike & Game thread - #25 (AP poll)/ #28 (NET rankings) Men's bball hosts #53 (NET) Utah (Boulder, Sunday, 1/12, 4:00 PM MT, ESPNU)

Darth Snow

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I am extra salty because I lost a lot of money in college football. Nyquil hasn’t set in yet. I’ll say this: I don’t think the selection committee gives P12 teams the benefit of the doubt. The conference got 3 last year, 3 in 2018, and 4 in 2017 after the record 7 in 2016. Y’all believe that the committee “gets it right” and doesn’t have bias against the P12. Okay. The recent record doesn’t bear that out unless you get something extraordinary.

We’ll see. Hope the chickens y’all are counting all hatch.
How can you allege bias due to past poor performance then point to the committee correctly snubbing the conference when it sucked as proof of bias?
 

manhattanbuf

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How can you allege bias due to past poor performance then point to the committee correctly snubbing the conference when it sucked as proof of bias?
Were the past decisions correct? I seem to recall lotsa whining about P12 getting snubbed on this site the last three years.

Edit: and another thing... my argument is that the outside sees the P12 as a limited conference for the Big Dance. I don’t think the last four years have disproven this perception. I think the feeling here is that y’all hope that the committee won’t have a bias now that Colorado has a decent team. P12 gets 3-4 teams. Colorado is currently one, but IMO it is fragile. Colorado cannot afford a marginal winning record in conference.
 
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manhattanbuf

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This is your argument, you support it. I'm confused by your circular reasoning and lack of evidence.
My argument is that the committee doesn’t like the P12. I’ve already given my evidence. You seem to think not picking P12 teams proves that they don’t have bias against the conference?! WTF
 

Buffnik

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My argument is that the committee doesn’t like the P12. I’ve already given my evidence. You seem to think not picking P12 teams proves that they don’t have bias against the conference?! WTF
Previous seasons, we had some RPI cases but really lacked on good wins in the non-conference. Also, some of the bottom teams in the conference really dragged us down since we had a couple teams sub-200 in the ranks seemingly every year. That's not the case this season. The Pac-12 bubble teams will probably end up looking pretty good on NET and Quad 1 & 2 games versus bubble teams from other conferences.
 

manhattanbuf

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I like offending all of the bball lovers with my anti P12 positions. However, I will leave y’all be until the NCAA tournament selection weekend. I’ll either take my lap or my beating then.

Calling under 5 P12 teams now in the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament. As soon as I can find a place to bet it, I’ll have a ticket on it as well.
 

Darth Snow

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I like offending all of the bball lovers with my anti P12 positions. However, I will leave y’all be until the NCAA tournament selection weekend. I’ll either take my lap or my beating then.

Calling under 5 P12 teams now in the NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament. As soon as I can find a place to bet it, I’ll have a ticket on it as well.
Good call. You haven't covered yourself in glory. Make sure to report back on the odds you get with that bet
 

BIGEZ321

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Wow, it was finally good to see the offense explode! All started with tough defense, but Battey really wrecked the game for Utah. His energy really set things in motion. We we're running, McKinley was pushing the pace, getting fast breaks, 2nd chance points... thing of beauty. I so hope we play with that energy on this next road trip. Two winnable games in my opinion if we can play close to our potential.
 

cu2x

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Question to anyone, do you think Evan is finally being understood and respected by the officials for the player he is. The first time number 32 for the Utes got bounced and he looked at the ref, seemed like the ref looked down at him with a look of, yep that's a big man and your going to have to figure it out because I'm not going to help you out.
So often it's been Evan's first foul, or is it just wishful thinking
I wondered the same thing. EB used to get fouls by just looking like he was going to move on somebody. I think the refs appreciate him more and I think the story of his heart condition is something they all know about. Hell, some of the refs worry about their own hearts, so EB may be an inspiration for them
 

torerobuff

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I am extra salty because I lost a lot of money in college football. Nyquil hasn’t set in yet. I’ll say this: I don’t think the selection committee gives P12 teams the benefit of the doubt. The conference got 3 last year, 3 in 2018, and 4 in 2017 after the record 7 in 2016. Y’all believe that the committee “gets it right” and doesn’t have bias against the P12. Okay. The recent record doesn’t bear that out unless you get something extraordinary.

We’ll see. Hope the chickens y’all are counting all hatch.
The conference was not good last year. I know I have posts talking about the only way the conference gets 2 bids last year was if Washington didn't win the tournament. Oregon won the tournament, Washington was obviously an NCAA tournament team last year, and I was surprised Arizona State got in. Arizona State was very much a bubble team last year. What Pac 12 team got snubbed? None. The Buffs probably had the 4th best case in the conference last year, and we absolutely did not deserve a bid. No other Pac-12 teams deserved to get in last year. I don't see any bias you claim exists.
 

dyemeduke

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Question to anyone, do you think Evan is finally being understood and respected by the officials for the player he is. The first time number 32 for the Utes got bounced and he looked at the ref, seemed like the ref looked down at him with a look of, yep that's a big man and your going to have to figure it out because I'm not going to help you out.
So often it's been Evan's first foul, or is it just wishful thinking
In a recent Stampede on Pac12 Network, Battey was a guest, and he talked about his personal development. He acknowledged that he made a lot of mistakes last year, including fouls. He's also more aware of which refs may call certain fouls. I do think it's natural to give some players more clout as they develop their reputation, so you're probably right to an extent with the refs. However, I think more is Battey's development, and I like that he owns his mistakes.
 

Da Lama

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Were the past decisions correct? I seem to recall lotsa whining about P12 getting snubbed on this site the last three years.

Edit: and another thing... my argument is that the outside sees the P12 as a limited conference for the Big Dance. I don’t think the last four years have disproven this perception. I think the feeling here is that y’all hope that the committee won’t have a bias now that Colorado has a decent team. P12 gets 3-4 teams. Colorado is currently one, but IMO it is fragile. Colorado cannot afford a marginal winning record in conference.
This is simply a terrible take. The metrics, formulas and rankings the selection committee now uses proves that this conference is legit this year. It's not like they will sit there on that final weekend and say, "Team A has a NET ranking of 14, but their conference has been mediocre for a year or two, so they're not getting in." The Buffs are in the tournament given their wins, rankings, and media hype so far this year and would absolutely have to fall apart to even start to work their way out of it at this point. EOS.
 

68buffs

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In a recent Stampede on Pac12 Network, Battey was a guest, and he talked about his personal development. He acknowledged that he made a lot of mistakes last year, including fouls. He's also more aware of which refs may call certain fouls. I do think it's natural to give some players more clout as they develop their reputation, so you're probably right to an extent with the refs. However, I think more is Battey's development, and I like that he owns his mistakes.
Good stuff there thank you.
 

Buffnik

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In a recent Stampede on Pac12 Network, Battey was a guest, and he talked about his personal development. He acknowledged that he made a lot of mistakes last year, including fouls. He's also more aware of which refs may call certain fouls. I do think it's natural to give some players more clout as they develop their reputation, so you're probably right to an extent with the refs. However, I think more is Battey's development, and I like that he owns his mistakes.
That's great to hear. Especially since he's going to run into refs who don't know him when he gets into tourney play. Got to be self-aware and able to adjust to how things are being called. A mild stress thought I've been having is that we could get to the Dance and see Evan riding the pine after the first 4 minutes due to foul trouble.
 
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