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Northern Colorado Game Week (Official Thread)
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Deleted member 807
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In one of the preseason interviews with Montez, he was asked which QB he admired. He said Johnny Manzel, but qualified it by denouncing Johnny Football's offfield antics.
His response from a month or so ago seems like more than meaningless words.
If given the choice, Montez would improvise on every play. Being told by coaches to play in the pocket goes against his grain.
I detect a conflict between the QB Montez wants to be and the QB that this coaching staff would like him to grow into.
The problem is that Montez isn't Johnny Manzel. Sure, his most memorable highlights thus far have been broken plays for TDs. But also IMO, he fails to consistently recognize that moving the chains with a safe and sure sideline intermediate pass is often more important than making sports center highlights with a deep pass. He is prone to take a huge sack for a loss trying to extend a play instead of quickly throwing the ball away. We've seen quite a few examples where CU's offense fails to convert on 3rd and long because Money Montez doesn't hit his deepest reciever.
IMO Montez is struggling to differentiate between being a human incarnation of a video game QB that prioritizes the joy of the big play over the more subtle beauty of managing an entire drive and the magic of dictating the tempo of an entire game.
I would feel better about Montez when he grows out of his Manzel phase and invests more into becoming a student of the game that seeks to emulate Elway, Manning or Brady as a role model over improvational gunslingers like Manzel or Farve.
Yea... oops haha.
Wish I could like this post more than once. Montez has a lot of talent, and promise. But his mentality needs to be tweeked a bit. My fear is that without both Montez and the coaching staff making minor concessions on his play, his CU career will either be shortlived or disappointing.
Btw, Jacob Knipp is a damn good player. I know people dismiss him as just an FCS QB but he's a stud who would have been an FBS recruit (possibly even P5, IMO) had he played in a Spread high school offense and not one that ran majority Double Wing.
hawg1
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Needs to move to LB.
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I'd love to be a fly on the wall as Lingren, Chiaverini and Montez discuss Manzel-Madden football versus the real world. This would make compelling TV for The Drive and/or CU Video to record over the course of the season.
Montez has one hell of a cannon. Mike Yam asked the question if SM has the strongest arm in the conference. His throws are somewhere between a rope and a laser. But the offense is Jekyll-Hyde and anything but consistent. CU had had one good quarter each game and three quarters worth of WTF/FFS.
What does our offense look like when designed to adapt to Montez's strength? Should the coaches be watching A&M film from 2012? Does CU have the talent and flexibility on the OLine to adapt away from a system and more towards Montez's improvisational default?
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I'm leaning towards short lived and I'll add it may not be limited to just Montez judging by who is and isn't being red shirted this year.
You could tell UNC was selling out to stop Lindsay and had no plan for keeping Montez in check. That's because there was really no film on of Montez keeping on the read option in the first two games... part of the reason I don't think it's far fetched to say they've been holding back a bit what they put on film. People can roll their eyes all they want at this speculation, but it's real and coaches do it all the time. I expect to see Montez become a much bigger part of the run game next week.
I have not read this thread but what is on this last page, but I just watched the 1H of the game for the first time.
I don't think it was bad at all. Montez made a big jump from weeks 1-2. The running game had it going, then it didn't. That's a concern.
My biggest concerns vs UW:
1. Defensive Front - who've played well. But I doubt guys will get the push and pressure on their QB if we weren't totally dominating the last two opponents. If we don't get a good rush against UW, we get picked apart.
2. Our DBs haven't been great. Oliver and Udoffia have had issues, partly hidden by the 3 PI calls vs CSU. You don't get all 3 but once in a lifetime.
I don't think it was bad at all. Montez made a big jump from weeks 1-2. The running game had it going, then it didn't. That's a concern.
My biggest concerns vs UW:
1. Defensive Front - who've played well. But I doubt guys will get the push and pressure on their QB if we weren't totally dominating the last two opponents. If we don't get a good rush against UW, we get picked apart.
2. Our DBs haven't been great. Oliver and Udoffia have had issues, partly hidden by the 3 PI calls vs CSU. You don't get all 3 but once in a lifetime.
I agree with Nik and others about BB, I saw him play like like a game or two. That's all it took to see the guy isn't a rb, period.
The great thing is we will finally know this week one way or another.
While Oliver and Udoffia have had issues, we miss Tedric Thompson in a big way. Our safeties are really inconsistent from series to series.
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Can Fisher play safety?
I had some UNC fans behind me. They started getting excited when UNC scored easily to start the second half to make it 28-21 and they started mumbling about UNC making it a game. On the next CU series, they ran some kind of misdirection play and I called out "Why are you putting that on film? You don't need that play this week!" I didn't hear the UNC fans say anything else the rest of the game. I didn't do it on purpose, but it was a little funny.
c502cid
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^^^This^^^.
I have a hard time thinking the coaching staff wants to keep a real running QB in the pocket but let Sefo run every other play on one leg with compound fractures.
What this does show is that motivation is an issue. Bama is going to beat a number of SEC opponents by more than they beat CSU this year. That won't mean that CSU is better than those SEC teams. What it will mean is that Bama took them more seriously and those teams may not be as focused as CSU was going into the game.
Same goes with CU. Even with all the problems we have seen so far CU will beat at least a couple of PAC teams by more than they beat UNC. This will happen when CU goes into the game awake and the teams aren't going in with the level of motivation that UNC had.
Knipp is a good QB. I'm not counting him in this group but there are a number of FCS QBs playing in the NFL right now. A lot of Broncos fans thought they should have kept a recent UNC QB in Sloter, a guy who is on an active roster today.
You are being pretty hard on him. Especially after he fought back from that injury sustained in a stiff breeze on campus.Every player makes mistakes, some players mistakes are excused more than others. This somehow still seems like a foreign concept to you as if there is no context at all in regards to Adkins' career.
He only fumbled once today.
Any port in a storm, baby.
Assuming there is an OL.
We are really bad at the safety position so far this year. Hopefully getting Fisher back will help. Our CB's have been on an island with absolutely no help. At some point you are going to get beat deep if your safety's are more like hybrid linebackers.
The stats say the Buffs dominated, the scoreboard says the same. What those don't say is that the Buffs made it much harder on themselves than they had to. Looking at the teams the Buffs should have dominated from the start, it should have been easy. Instead the Bears made CU work for everything they got, in part because it looked a lot like CU expected to walk over this team and didn't show up ready to go.
Fisher needs to force himself on to the field.
lawdogg
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Agree that there is room for improvement at safety ("really bad" may be saying it a bit too strongly imo), but I wonder how much has been a schematic decision to trust the CBs against the caliber of receivers they were facing. Might see some scheme design changes in conference play.
We are not "really bad" at any position right now, other than TE, so let's just end that **** right now.
Montez has mentioned on many occasions that his favorite QB is Tom Brady.
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