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NY Times: State Penn planning Paterno´s exit

I still cannot believe this. I cannot believe so many adults were willing to protect a pedophile rather than the children he preyed on.

Disgusting.
 
IMO Paterno should have stepped down years ago when he lost the ability to fulfill all of the head coach's duties. Staying is/was selfish and unfair to the university. Now he's probably thinking the same thing.
 
Its very sad that not one of these men called police and thought about the safety of the kid/kids.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Its a shame his wonderful career has to end in this fashion - especially with the year his team is having this fall.
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Sarcasm font?

Seriously, I have a young son. Joe Paterno wouldn't make the simplest gesture to protect him from an event that would almost certainly ruin his life. If not my son, somebody else's. He was unable conjure a moral act to protect young children.

He knew. There's absolutely no way he didn't.
 
Joe Paterno may have done great things for a lot of people over the years but that does not excuse or overshadow what he did not do here. Joe Paterno is a piece of **** in my book as well as anyone else who stood by and let this Sandusky continue his horrific crime spree.
 
Buffarino said:
A shame? **** that. And **** him.

He may not be legally liable here, but he is most certainly morally wrong.
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The Harrisburg (PA) Patriot-News had a fantastic editorial on its front page. The headline reads:

There are the obligations we all have to uphold the law. There are then the obligations we all have to do what is right.
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You can read the rest here, but I thought that lead-in was very powerful and right on target.
 
Buffarino said:
I still cannot believe this. I cannot believe so many adults were willing to protect a pedophile rather than the children he preyed on.

Disgusting.
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Were? They still are. The Penn State president cancelled JoePa´s weekly press conference without his knowledge. You´d think that now that the genie is out of the bottle they´d have an interest in cleaning this **** up no matter where it takes them, but no, perception still seems to be more important to the PSU president.

Of course, now that the **** is hitting the fan there, you might think a guy like Paterno, who has been on campus for god knows how long, has the power to organize his own presser ...
 
this isn't exactly breaking news. Joe Pa was never coming back after this year. If he doesn't coach Sat then it will a story
 
Larry Foster, a former trustee and a president of the alumni association, told The New York Times in 2004. “He’s just reached into so many areas.”

wrong, but just so easy.
 
Of course he's gone, but don't be surprised if he doesn't even coach against Nebraska. What could he possibly say in the postgame? Absolutely horrific situation, obviously dwarfs any other cfb scandal. Penn St will never recover
 
The Walrus said:
Sarcasm font?

Seriously, I have a young son. Joe Paterno wouldn't make the simplest gesture to protect him from an event that would almost certainly ruin his life. If not my son, somebody else's. He was unable conjure a moral act to protect young children.

He knew. There's absolutely no way he didn't.
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Do you also believe that Gary Barnett had no clue about sex/alcohol being used at recruiting parties?
 
beltway buff said:
The Harrisburg (PA) Patriot-News had a fantastic editorial on its front page. The headline reads:



You can read the rest here, but I thought that lead-in was very powerful and right on target.
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That article was weak. It let Joe Pa off the hook in the final few paragraphs. Weak.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Do you also believe that Gary Barnett had no clue about sex/alcohol being used at recruiting parties?
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No idea what he knew. I've said before that the culture surrounding CU's program during that time wasn't squeaky clean. But were there recruiting parties, or were there private parties that recruits attended? Was it institutionally sanctioned?

And for Christ's sake, why am I even debating you on that red herring. If Gary Barnett had evidence that someone had been raped, he had a moral obligation to do something about it. Did he know, or believe that to be the case? I don't know, but I would hold him to that standard in any case.

Was Joe Paterno told that an underaged child was raped in the lockerroom? It appears that he was.
 
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JWP303 said:
IMO Paterno should have stepped down years ago when he lost the ability to fulfill all of the head coach's duties. Staying is/was selfish and unfair to the university. Now he's probably thinking the same thing.
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I don't think he is thinking that. People in his position at the top of a profession for many years, revered and adulated, just get into a mental box from their own celebrity. They really believe in their press as reality and just don't want to consider other possibilities. This has happened so often, in religion, in politics, in entertainment, that we constantly have to consider different perspectives. A guy like Paterno to still be coaching at age 84 knows only one thing. And he probably won't live long after he is pushed out the door. Bear Bryant did it the right way in my opinion, at age 69, and didn't live long after. These coaches don't have a clue about the world outside of football. Someone wrote back when Libya was in the news during the Reagan administration that Joe Gibbs when asked a question about Libya didn't have a clue where or what it was.
 
Jens1893 said:
Were? They still are.
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They will no longer be able to protect him.

This will not end well for anyone involved, and it shouldn't. It's a damn shame it did not happen in time to save some of these kids from what they experienced at the hands of this asshole Sandusky. I bet he offs himself before he goes to prison because that's what a coward would do and only cowards prey on children.
 
kalbuff said:
I don't think he is thinking that. People in his position at the top of a profession for many years, revered and adulated, just get into a mental box from their own celebrity. They really believe in their press as reality and just don't want to consider other possibilities. This has happened so often, in religion, in politics, in entertainment, that we constantly have to consider different perspectives. A guy like Paterno to still be coaching at age 84 knows only one thing. And he probably won't live long after he is pushed out the door. Bear Bryant did it the right way in my opinion, at age 69, and didn't live long after. These coaches don't have a clue about the world outside of football. Someone wrote back when Libya was in the news during the Reagan administration that Joe Gibbs when asked a question about Libya didn't have a clue where or what it was.
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I guess I just meant that maybe he wished he would have stepped down sooner to avoid this whole mess. Maybe not.
 
Lt.Col.FrankSlade said:
Do you also believe that Gary Barnett had no clue about sex/alcohol being used at recruiting parties?
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Just to chime in... of course GB knew that there were recruits drinking alcohol and getting laid when they were taken out while on their visits. That goes on everywhere and coaches maintain plausible deniability. Boulder on a Saturday night for a guy hanging out with football players... if he doesn't have an opportunity to get laid then I'd wonder if something was wrong with him.

What I take exception to is the suggestion that we were "using" sex and alcohol to recruit. Unless there's evidence that GB was directing player hosts to make sure that prospects got drunk and got laid (or did something to supply it), then we weren't "using" it.

Also, it's kind of a ****ed up system when we expect coaches to develop these young athletes while playing the role of mentor and maybe even father figure... but we then turn around and tell these coaches that they have to monitor and report on their personal lives to an extent that no parent should ever do. It's a mixed message.

Obviously, the PSU situation has nothing to do with this.
 
skibum said:
I don't think he is, but I know the so-called "journalists" at the DP will.
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They can equate in so far as:

1. It's a national scandal in a major program.
2. How the media handles it.
3. How the university handles it.
4. What the outfall can be.
 
5 bucks says that Henderson or Kizla will have an article bringing up the CU "scandal" before Friday.
 
Buffarino said:
Are you really even attempting to equate the two situations?
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If Barnett knew of allegations of rape involving his players, did he have a moral obligation to report those players to the police? If McCartney had knowledge of alleged rapes involving his players, did he have a moral obligation to report those players to the police? Even if all they heard was rumor and innuendo in the locker-room??

I'm not a morality police officer. I can't and won't attempt to draw a distinction between a woman being sexually assaulted and a child being sexually assaulted - in both instances the perpetrators deserve the worst punishment they can receive.

It's very easy to sit back now, years after, and point fingers.
 
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