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Official 2017 Coaching Carousel Thread - Zona hires Sumlin
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He is completely safe now. The move made a lot more sense when his future was in doubt. He can basically name his price to Auburn now. Auburn is a much better job too.
I think they have to try. They can't be sitting there being used as negotiating leverage for someone who isn't coming and need to move on with their search & closing recruits for the December signing day if it's not gonna be Gus.
If it was only JUCOs and EEs signing in December and everyone else still signed in February, I think Arkansas could afford to be a lot more patient and the ultimatum wouldn't have happened.
So Malzahn basically flipped the script on Auburn?
An ultimatum is fine, but the timeline just seems strange. Does it really make THAT much of a difference if he decides next Tuesday (72 hours) instead of five hours after the game?
Pretty much.
Why do you say auburn is a much better job? I definitely think it is better but Arkansas has a lot of positives too.
Auburn has a much better recruiting advantage.
Auburn has an argument that it's a Top 10 job. Arkansas has an argument that it's a Top 25 job. Both are great jobs in the profession, but Auburn is a bit better across the board on all the stuff a coach is going to evaluate (recruiting grounds, resources, etc.).
Because it is?
Yeah I get the recruiting part, just doesn’t seem like there is any school out there that will “out resource” Arkansas.
Hmmmm. Does it?
From a totally outsiders perspective, it would seem that Auburn has to compete for recruits directly with Alabama. While Saban is there, that’s a tough sell. At Arky, you have Texas right next door.
Seems like a wash to me.
Thanks for the input.
There are a lot more athletes in AL than AR. (Eight 4*s in AL per Rivals this year and Auburn already has commits from 3 of them with a bunch uncommitted, including a 5*. In AR, there are two 4*s and Arkansas has 1 of them.) And being next door to FL & GA is better than being next door to TX & OK.
Auburn still is able to get some top in-state players (3 of top 7 this year) and recruits Georgia as well as anyone (several 4* players a year). Then add in Florida and it dwarfs Arkansas trying to recruit Texas.
My pleasure. But when you look at the last 20 years or so and what both programs achieved I think it's a bit odd to ask why Auburn would be considered a better job. Auburn has one national title, one championship game appearance and 3 SEC titles. Auburn have proven that you can win there and that you can win really big there.
Auburn have always seemed like the redheaded, hyperactive stepchild to me that has a huge inferiority complex with Alabama while being wildly inconsistent and they also seem to have a penchant for failure when expectations are high, but then every big program in the SEC (West and Knoxville) has that problem in Tuscaloosa.
Trust me I get it lol I never said it was a better job I was just arguing a little bit with the “much” part that’s all. I was just looking at what the two offer, not what they have done in the last 20 years, I visited Fayetteville recently and I was blown away by the facilities and the town itself. I also think that their recruiting of Arkansas, Louisiana, texas along with being able to hit KC and St. Louis is nothing to look down at.
I do not think Arkansas is a bad job or even a mediocre job by any stretch. The right coach can be a consistent 8-9 game winner there.
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If you want to simplify it, I think I'd say that Arkansas has the potential to win big whereas Auburn has proven it can do so, albeit inconsistently.
Yeah that’s the best way to put it. Basically I think it is a program that is poised to do well but I think people have been saying that about Arkansas for a while. Also seems like a little less pressure than auburn which is always a plus.
And Auburn has to compete with Florida, FSU, Alabama, LSU and UGA in just about every state they recruit in.
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beware the habu
So the Fulmer Cup was invented based on his antics while coaching.
What can we expect during his reign as an AD?
It would shock people how well Auburn recruits in Georgia. Basically an in-state program given Tech's academic standards.
Yes, but Arkansas does not have near the pedigree that Auburn has.
Here would be my question, if Arkansas and auburn both had good coaches at the same time do you think auburn would beat Arkansas enough for them to fire their coach (like saban has done to most of the sec west) or do you think it would be a pretty even series?
I haven’t seen a ton of football facilities but Arkansas ranks up there with Oklahoma which people say is easily top 5.